Anonymous
Post 09/18/2021 09:46     Subject: How does your school handle allergies?

Prohibiting the allergen is very common.

You're being absurd. Dairy-free is not vegan - not even close. And yes, butter is dairy. Dairy is anything made with cow's milk. How have you reached adulthood without this knowledge?

Avoiding dairy at school is really not that hard. You are deeply, deeply overreacting and setting a bad example for your daughter. Her classmate's physical safety is more important that some mild inconvenience for her. Really. There's plenty she can eat.

-Not a parent of an allergic kid, but embarrassed for you for even posting this self-absorbed, clueless screed
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 18:13     Subject: Re:How does your school handle allergies?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So they dont provide milk to the kids I assume? Many daycares are required to provide milk and I would think theyd have to provide a replacement.

Im actually a parent to a kid with a dairy allergy and Im pissed when schools decide to remove an entire food group because of allergies. Peanut butter and other nut butters are some of our only sources of transportable fats because my kid cant have avocado OR dairy. I dont expect others to remove dairy from their kids intake because dairy is a big source of protein and fat for lots of kids. Kids are at school for 2 snacks and lunch, so a huge component of their diet. What one kid is allergic to does not trump another kids dietary needs.

Now imagine you have kids who cant have nuts and one cant have dairy and one cant have coconut...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5638466/

It doesnt even make sense because a kid can come in with goldfish or cheeze-it hands from the car. The BIGGEST issue is sharing of food and the kids should be watched like hawks when eating anyways due to choking.

My kid wont take most food from people- other than mom and dad and unless he recognizes it- because weve taught him that he cant eat food with dairy and that most people arent educated enough to understand what food he can eat. My favorite when I was breastfeeding and couldnt eat dairy is when people asked if they needed to exclude eggs too....ummm no Sharon I cant eat products from a COW, which is not to be confused with eggs, which come from a CHICKEN.
no they don’t provide any food we have to send in food- it’s a half day preschool and my daughter is in the TWOS class!! She’s a picky eater! We’re not vegan for godsakes!


Half day preschool?

So, they're asking your kid to have one snack out of the entire day that doesn't have dairy? Not unreasonable.

If this was daycare with multiple meals, totally different, but one snack?
No it’s lunch and one snack. She’s there from 9-3pm Monday thru Friday
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 16:58     Subject: Re:How does your school handle allergies?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So they dont provide milk to the kids I assume? Many daycares are required to provide milk and I would think theyd have to provide a replacement.

Im actually a parent to a kid with a dairy allergy and Im pissed when schools decide to remove an entire food group because of allergies. Peanut butter and other nut butters are some of our only sources of transportable fats because my kid cant have avocado OR dairy. I dont expect others to remove dairy from their kids intake because dairy is a big source of protein and fat for lots of kids. Kids are at school for 2 snacks and lunch, so a huge component of their diet. What one kid is allergic to does not trump another kids dietary needs.

Now imagine you have kids who cant have nuts and one cant have dairy and one cant have coconut...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5638466/

It doesnt even make sense because a kid can come in with goldfish or cheeze-it hands from the car. The BIGGEST issue is sharing of food and the kids should be watched like hawks when eating anyways due to choking.

My kid wont take most food from people- other than mom and dad and unless he recognizes it- because weve taught him that he cant eat food with dairy and that most people arent educated enough to understand what food he can eat. My favorite when I was breastfeeding and couldnt eat dairy is when people asked if they needed to exclude eggs too....ummm no Sharon I cant eat products from a COW, which is not to be confused with eggs, which come from a CHICKEN.
no they don’t provide any food we have to send in food- it’s a half day preschool and my daughter is in the TWOS class!! She’s a picky eater! We’re not vegan for godsakes!


Half day preschool?

So, they're asking your kid to have one snack out of the entire day that doesn't have dairy? Not unreasonable.

If this was daycare with multiple meals, totally different, but one snack?
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 16:52     Subject: Re:How does your school handle allergies?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So they dont provide milk to the kids I assume? Many daycares are required to provide milk and I would think theyd have to provide a replacement.

Im actually a parent to a kid with a dairy allergy and Im pissed when schools decide to remove an entire food group because of allergies. Peanut butter and other nut butters are some of our only sources of transportable fats because my kid cant have avocado OR dairy. I dont expect others to remove dairy from their kids intake because dairy is a big source of protein and fat for lots of kids. Kids are at school for 2 snacks and lunch, so a huge component of their diet. What one kid is allergic to does not trump another kids dietary needs.

Now imagine you have kids who cant have nuts and one cant have dairy and one cant have coconut...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5638466/

It doesnt even make sense because a kid can come in with goldfish or cheeze-it hands from the car. The BIGGEST issue is sharing of food and the kids should be watched like hawks when eating anyways due to choking.

My kid wont take most food from people- other than mom and dad and unless he recognizes it- because weve taught him that he cant eat food with dairy and that most people arent educated enough to understand what food he can eat. My favorite when I was breastfeeding and couldnt eat dairy is when people asked if they needed to exclude eggs too....ummm no Sharon I cant eat products from a COW, which is not to be confused with eggs, which come from a CHICKEN.
no they don’t provide any food we have to send in food- it’s a half day preschool and my daughter is in the TWOS class!! She’s a picky eater! We’re not vegan for godsakes!


Just for education purposes and so you dont sound hysterical: dairy free is NOT vegan even though vegans dont eat dairy.

I AGREE with you that one kids allergies should not be more important than the dietary needs of all other children and I AM a mom of a kid with a dairy allergy.

As I stated previously, people are not educated about food and its really unsafe for daycare to assume that parents are going to check labels and ingredients. For example, most people wouldnt even think twice of sending a slice of pumpkin or zucchini bread but 90% of recipes have milk or butter in them and even though its cooked, its still dairy. 90% of kid food is dairy, especially the packaged stuff. Yogurt, milk, butter, cheese, cooked cheese, etc. are all out.

no I know dairy free isn’t vegan but it gets the point across how restrictive this is for a TWO year old
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 16:12     Subject: Re:How does your school handle allergies?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So they dont provide milk to the kids I assume? Many daycares are required to provide milk and I would think theyd have to provide a replacement.

Im actually a parent to a kid with a dairy allergy and Im pissed when schools decide to remove an entire food group because of allergies. Peanut butter and other nut butters are some of our only sources of transportable fats because my kid cant have avocado OR dairy. I dont expect others to remove dairy from their kids intake because dairy is a big source of protein and fat for lots of kids. Kids are at school for 2 snacks and lunch, so a huge component of their diet. What one kid is allergic to does not trump another kids dietary needs.

Now imagine you have kids who cant have nuts and one cant have dairy and one cant have coconut...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5638466/

It doesnt even make sense because a kid can come in with goldfish or cheeze-it hands from the car. The BIGGEST issue is sharing of food and the kids should be watched like hawks when eating anyways due to choking.

My kid wont take most food from people- other than mom and dad and unless he recognizes it- because weve taught him that he cant eat food with dairy and that most people arent educated enough to understand what food he can eat. My favorite when I was breastfeeding and couldnt eat dairy is when people asked if they needed to exclude eggs too....ummm no Sharon I cant eat products from a COW, which is not to be confused with eggs, which come from a CHICKEN.
no they don’t provide any food we have to send in food- it’s a half day preschool and my daughter is in the TWOS class!! She’s a picky eater! We’re not vegan for godsakes!


Just for education purposes and so you dont sound hysterical: dairy free is NOT vegan even though vegans dont eat dairy.

I AGREE with you that one kids allergies should not be more important than the dietary needs of all other children and I AM a mom of a kid with a dairy allergy.

As I stated previously, people are not educated about food and its really unsafe for daycare to assume that parents are going to check labels and ingredients. For example, most people wouldnt even think twice of sending a slice of pumpkin or zucchini bread but 90% of recipes have milk or butter in them and even though its cooked, its still dairy. 90% of kid food is dairy, especially the packaged stuff. Yogurt, milk, butter, cheese, cooked cheese, etc. are all out.

Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 15:56     Subject: Re:How does your school handle allergies?

Anonymous wrote:I hear you! My son is in first grade at a public school and we aren’t allowed to send nuts, beans, peas, or any kind of legumes.

We are a vegetarian family and he refuses to eat much dairy so that leaves us with very few protein sources. I also question who is putting this list together—we just got an email from the school again telling us not to bring nuts and “reminding” us that coconuts are a type of nut! Since they are clearly not a nut, it makes me question how many other prohibitions are also misguided.

If a child has a severe allergy I’m happy to do my part in keeping them safe, but my son is very underweight (less than 3 percentile) and it’s already a struggle to get him enough protein and calories! We have started even offering him meat but he’s not a big fan of that either…
my mind is blown, what kind of school prohibits beans?!
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 15:53     Subject: Re:How does your school handle allergies?

I hear you! My son is in first grade at a public school and we aren’t allowed to send nuts, beans, peas, or any kind of legumes.

We are a vegetarian family and he refuses to eat much dairy so that leaves us with very few protein sources. I also question who is putting this list together—we just got an email from the school again telling us not to bring nuts and “reminding” us that coconuts are a type of nut! Since they are clearly not a nut, it makes me question how many other prohibitions are also misguided.

If a child has a severe allergy I’m happy to do my part in keeping them safe, but my son is very underweight (less than 3 percentile) and it’s already a struggle to get him enough protein and calories! We have started even offering him meat but he’s not a big fan of that either…
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 15:47     Subject: Re:How does your school handle allergies?

Anonymous wrote:So they dont provide milk to the kids I assume? Many daycares are required to provide milk and I would think theyd have to provide a replacement.

Im actually a parent to a kid with a dairy allergy and Im pissed when schools decide to remove an entire food group because of allergies. Peanut butter and other nut butters are some of our only sources of transportable fats because my kid cant have avocado OR dairy. I dont expect others to remove dairy from their kids intake because dairy is a big source of protein and fat for lots of kids. Kids are at school for 2 snacks and lunch, so a huge component of their diet. What one kid is allergic to does not trump another kids dietary needs.

Now imagine you have kids who cant have nuts and one cant have dairy and one cant have coconut...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5638466/

It doesnt even make sense because a kid can come in with goldfish or cheeze-it hands from the car. The BIGGEST issue is sharing of food and the kids should be watched like hawks when eating anyways due to choking.

My kid wont take most food from people- other than mom and dad and unless he recognizes it- because weve taught him that he cant eat food with dairy and that most people arent educated enough to understand what food he can eat. My favorite when I was breastfeeding and couldnt eat dairy is when people asked if they needed to exclude eggs too....ummm no Sharon I cant eat products from a COW, which is not to be confused with eggs, which come from a CHICKEN.
no they don’t provide any food we have to send in food- it’s a half day preschool and my daughter is in the TWOS class!! She’s a picky eater! We’re not vegan for godsakes!
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 15:45     Subject: How does your school handle allergies?

Anonymous wrote:I think it depends on the severity of the allergy. Our school is nut free as a baseline. They provide all the food, but I do know for kids who have specific allergies they let the parents send in a substitute for that item if they want and a teacher sits by that kid to make sure they don't grab some of the allergy item (there is a calendar based menu with a list of potential allergens). I think for an anaphylactic allergy they are being smart to prohibit dairy if they are going to care for that other kid. I'd ask for a list of what you can't send though--like is butter prohibited?

I would think you could send the pretzel goldfish, or other non-cheese crackers. Is your kid really picky? I know that would make this a lot harder to manage.


AND THIS IS WHY THIS DOESNT WORK because you need to educate people. BUTTER IS MILK. Dairy allergies include all dairy products and by-products. Pretzel goldfish has MILK in it. You would have to avoid any item that has milk or milk by-product list and/or states CONTAINS:MILK on the label.

Daycare staff will be more relaxed because they are expecting parents to send in items that dont have milk but I can ASSURE you that they can not know every single product is milk-free. There are 1000s OF PACKAGED FOODS that use milk as a stabilizer in forms like whey.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 15:41     Subject: Re:How does your school handle allergies?

So they dont provide milk to the kids I assume? Many daycares are required to provide milk and I would think theyd have to provide a replacement.

Im actually a parent to a kid with a dairy allergy and Im pissed when schools decide to remove an entire food group because of allergies. Peanut butter and other nut butters are some of our only sources of transportable fats because my kid cant have avocado OR dairy. I dont expect others to remove dairy from their kids intake because dairy is a big source of protein and fat for lots of kids. Kids are at school for 2 snacks and lunch, so a huge component of their diet. What one kid is allergic to does not trump another kids dietary needs.

Now imagine you have kids who cant have nuts and one cant have dairy and one cant have coconut...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5638466/

It doesnt even make sense because a kid can come in with goldfish or cheeze-it hands from the car. The BIGGEST issue is sharing of food and the kids should be watched like hawks when eating anyways due to choking.

My kid wont take most food from people- other than mom and dad and unless he recognizes it- because weve taught him that he cant eat food with dairy and that most people arent educated enough to understand what food he can eat. My favorite when I was breastfeeding and couldnt eat dairy is when people asked if they needed to exclude eggs too....ummm no Sharon I cant eat products from a COW, which is not to be confused with eggs, which come from a CHICKEN.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 15:40     Subject: How does your school handle allergies?

Anonymous wrote:I know you're venting but do try to consider this from the perspective of this child's parents, who need affordable childcare, and are literally hoping their kid doesn't die there.

There are also many vegan options for the items that you noted.

I have a kid with nut and sesame allergies. We never asked for accommodations but our daycare put them in anyway, banning sesame (incl. hummus). (They were already nut free) They don't want a kid to have a reaction on their watch, either.
Nut allergies are totally different. I feel like it’s easy to avoid none in every day food. However dairy as a whole class of food is in so many things. I Would not be posting this if it were nut allergy.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 15:37     Subject: How does your school handle allergies?

I think it depends on the severity of the allergy. Our school is nut free as a baseline. They provide all the food, but I do know for kids who have specific allergies they let the parents send in a substitute for that item if they want and a teacher sits by that kid to make sure they don't grab some of the allergy item (there is a calendar based menu with a list of potential allergens). I think for an anaphylactic allergy they are being smart to prohibit dairy if they are going to care for that other kid. I'd ask for a list of what you can't send though--like is butter prohibited?

I would think you could send the pretzel goldfish, or other non-cheese crackers. Is your kid really picky? I know that would make this a lot harder to manage.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 15:28     Subject: How does your school handle allergies?

This is a great opportunity for you to begin educating your child on the importance of helping others. By not eating dairy products at school, the class is helping to insure everyone’s safety. This is a beautiful introduction for your child’s understanding that we are all responsible for one another.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 15:26     Subject: How does your school handle allergies?

I know you're venting but do try to consider this from the perspective of this child's parents, who need affordable childcare, and are literally hoping their kid doesn't die there.

There are also many vegan options for the items that you noted.

I have a kid with nut and sesame allergies. We never asked for accommodations but our daycare put them in anyway, banning sesame (incl. hummus). (They were already nut free) They don't want a kid to have a reaction on their watch, either.
Anonymous
Post 09/17/2021 15:20     Subject: How does your school handle allergies?

I posted in the General parenting forum but realized this is probably more appropriate here. How does your preschool or daycare handle allergies? Do they prohibit said items totally? Sit the allergic kids at different table? My daughter school just sent email saying NO dairy products at all allowed due to a child in her class having an allergy to dairy and it being potentially anaphylactic (child was prescribed an epi pen). This is so frustrating and feel like we’re having to conform to vegan diet!! Can’t send the only vegetables my daughter will eat because she dips them in blue cheese dressing (carrots cucumbers and lettuce). Today the sent a note home because I sent in cheese it crackers!! They said no goldfish or crackers like cheese it’s!!