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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I can understand the sentence. It was basically a hookup at a frat party gone wrong. It doesn't make sense to send one party to prison for years.. There's no way to know when she became unconscious, but it was probably later rather than sooner.[/quote]

No, IT WAS A RAPE, you idiot[/quote]

Do you think a woman [b]ever bears any responsibility[/b] re staying sober, not trusting drunk strangers, not walking down a street at 2 a.m. alone, etc? We're not doing any favors to perpetuate the myth that women can be and do anything they want and go anywhere they want without being responsible for their own safety to the degree possible. That's beyond naive and truly not very smart.[/quote]

If I stand naked in the street at 2:00 am it doesn't give anyone the right to rape me. [/quote]

you're right it doesn't.  but would you advise your daughter to do so?[/quote]

NP here. Safety advice I would give my child is completely irrelevant to whether someone is justified in committing a crime against them or whether the criminal deserves jail time.

I tell my kids to lock the front door. Whether they do, do but forger the deadbolt, or do not for some reason, if someone breaks in and steals their things [b]it is still a crime and still the fault and moral responsibility of the thief.[/b] [/quote]

Absolutely! But making the effort to try to be safe should still be the message.[/quote]

I agree. One thing that really stands out in a lot of campus rape stories is the alcohol. And that goes for both men and women. It does not absolve men of blame, and it does not mean that women deserve to be assaulted. But when you are drinking enough to black out, you are putting yourself at risk. You can't depend on your friends to save you; they're drinking too. Like the victim here said, this man was looking to assault someone and if it hadn't been her, it would have been another woman. But very likely it would have been a woman who, like she did, had too much too drink. That's what these predators look for or take advantage of when they find it.

The number one thing women can do to protect themselves is not drink to excess, which probably means one drink only. Maybe things have changed but when I went to college in 1998, my parents impressed the following on me: do not go to parties where you don't know anyone; don't go to parties by yourself; don't accept any drink, even water, that's been opened or poured by someone else outside of your sight; don't ever go to a guy's room during a party; don't accept a ride or escort home from any guy you don't know well; don't ever invite a guy you don't know well into your own room.

Now, if you don't follow these rules, do you deserve to be sexually assaulted? Of course not. But why make yourself an easier target? Like the house-breaking example: yes, it is the burglar's fault, but doesn't the victim wish she'd locked her doors? I've read comments by college-age women who say "it's not fair, we should be able to drink as much as men, it's discriminatory to tell us we shouldn't." To which I answer: too bad. Not everything in life is fair. There are a hell of a lot of unfair things in this world, and it's not worth getting assaulted over.[/quote]

+ 100 and more! Your entire post is on-target!![/quote]

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