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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Can any of the US women do a quad or is this just a Russian women thing? I mean they are so physically demanding--to do 5 in one skate and most of them in the 2nd half, that is just insane. I do think whoever governs international figure skating scoring should revaluate the bonus awarded for doing a quad in the 2nd half.  It's just grueling--why not just go back to the old version of judging on technical and artistic merit and if you can do a quad great--if not maybe you do 4 triples and that equals doing 2 quads. this obsession with quads is crazy[/quote]

Not consistently and not perfectly. But I suspect we'll get there. The US uses older techniques which aren't as good. We don't need to abuse tweens to win, but I do think there is runway for the the US skaters to improve.[/quote]

except, ARE the techniques good? The push to do quads in Russia is destroying young bodies. And they are likely doping and underfeeding their girls to get them. Is this really what we want?

I think Alysa has done quads, but with her growing, it may not happen.

I honestly think we need to lay off the quads. There is just a limit to what these young women should be doing to their bodies.[/quote]

I think adult athletes should pursue whatever goals they want.

I think our obsession with having children compete in figure skating and gymnastics in order to avoid the body changes that girls go through in their late teens and early 20s is messed up. It's not so much that it's wrong to pursue a quad -- the men (who are older and don't have the same schedule of puberty development) do it and it's fine. It's that the Russians and others who are determined to get women doing quads don't work with women -- they work with small children and they work AGAINST the normal and inevitable development of those children's bodies.

Women should have to be 18 to compete at the international level and there should be far more investigation/enforcement of training conditions for underage skaters. This is abuse, pure and simple.[/quote]

I think you and others like you are deliberately oblivious to the larger truth, which is this:  To achieve excellence in high technical complexity rewarded by the system today, you MUST begin training at an early age.  It's silly to say, OK, you are now 18, let's learn quads! By the time you're 18, the train to learn the quads have left the station.    And it's the same for men.  You aren't really saying men don't begin to learn quads till 18, are you? Of course not.  They learn them at the same age, it's just that they keep them longer because they don't grow breasts and hips.

I think it's OK to say, look, to have your quads at 18 you obviously have to learn them much earlier, and we don't want this for little girls so let's ban quads or not reward them. I'm perfectly fine with this change.  But to say "only adult women should learn quads" is deliberately blind. [/quote]
Is a mental block in figure skating common too? If it’s like gymnastics, younger kids have easier time getting harder skills because they are smaller, more flexible and also less chance of a mental block. [/quote]

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