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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Are things still surging?  [/quote]

According to wastewater and hospital admissions, yes.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#wastewater-surveillance

According to DCUM, no. It's just a cold.

Choose wisely![/quote]

Wastewater data suggests there's an increase, but it doesn't speak to the magnitude of the increase.

Hospitalizations suggests there's an increase, but not a surge.  Hospitalizations of patients with COVID are up 14% from last week.  But both the overall number of hospitalized patients and the sustained rate of increase are far below previous surges.[/quote]

+1.  Wastewater may reflect infections, but that doesn't equate to disease.

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The last two winters (2022 and 2023) the peak of infections came around Jan. 15.  No reason to think it won’t be the same this winter as Covid seasonality grows more predictable.[/quote]

Right. Everybody saying "it's not as high as it has been" doesn't seem to understand there's a warning phase as things ramp up. People aren't taking it seriously, nobody masks anymore, the wastewater is already showing the levels, but it's not bad yet. And then some idiot trolls want to talk about people pointing that out and claim they're "mentally ill". No, they're just aware, in as much as anyone can be in a country that decided not to care about the impact to people so that we could prioritize corporate wants. It's hard to stay reliably informed because that would make people want things we don't want to give them (meaningful sick leave policies, funding for vaccine studies, continued coverage for Paxlovid and other treatments...)

It's not tragically awful right now. And no, trolls, nobody wants it to be. That's why people are trying to point out what's going on. Stick your head in the sand (or somewhere else) if that's what you're into, but the numbers are ramping up. The next few weeks are going to show higher numbers, hopefully not exponentially.

Some people are vaxxed, which will hopefully keep the hospitals from being overcrowded. Some people mask, which can keep the virus from finding a new host. But an awful lot of people have simply chosen to not do either anymore, because it's "too uncomfortable", or not trendy, or painful, or doesn't fit their schedule... Smart people realize this is a setup for a mess.

How messy you're content to let it be seems to depend on your perception of health/health care. The current strains seem to have a more mild effect for healthy people, but even if that's true, long covid seems to impact otherwise healthy people just fine. Disabled people sounded the alarms before Thanksgiving. Able-bodied (and for those using "mentally ill" as an insult, ableist) people are probably used to getting care when they need it and not really needing much.

[b]Some of y'all are about to get a rude awakening[/b].[/quote]

What do you think is going to happen to us all in the next few months that constitutes a rude awakening?[/quote]

You'll die with your head up your ass, so nothing, really.[/quote]

As I suspected, you don’t really have a serious answer for that question. Go on and keeping waiting for that sweet, sweet comeuppance, I guess. I, and most of the rest of the world, am moving on, risks accepted.[/quote]

People who have actually moved on, move on, you know? They don't sit around debating their position on an anon board. The comeuppance would be that all the no vax/no mask people get impacted by covid (or something else) in a way that helps them better understand what the "mentally ill" cautious people were on about. Nobody sane wishes people ill just because they're stupid, and anyone framing pro vax/mask arguments as hoping anti vax/mask people get their "sweet sweet comeuppance" is an idiot or a troll. Some people don't think covid is a cold. Maybe someday it will be. As it stands now, people seem to have gotten burned out on trying to understand it, given up, and decided to just take their chances.

This puts people who don't have that sort of medical privilege/ableism on their side in a terrible position. But you don't want to hear that, so you call them "mentally ill" for urging greater caution with a virus that is barely 4 years old. It's not well-understood, it's still evolving, and if it stops being the milder version of itself and decides to get ugly, a lot of people are truly screwed. Long Covid is also a new phenomenon we have very little ability to process. You can deny that all you want, but it does exist, and we can't say definitively who will/won't get that. I get being overwhelmed by all the unknowns, but "let's all just go back to normal and pretend it's all fine" is going to lead to preventable infections.

That's not "sweet" for anyone but sociopaths, which the people still arguing here may be

The other PP's head is safely secured in their nethers; they have nothing to worry about. [/quote]

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