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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Any military expertise on how Russia could not even defend its own air space against helicopters? Getting bombed on their own soil is another defeat.[/quote]

Three possible scenarios:  a.) Russian false flag, b.) incredible incompetence, given the pilots had to fly through at least 100km of hostile occupied territory bristling with all kinds of antiaircraft weaponry, c.) miracle Ghost of Kyiv shit.
I personally don't believe in miracles... [/quote]

General Mark Hertling suggested that the "strike into Belgorod required more than just 2 helicopters striking a target.   It required analysis of the target set, planning of the mission, preparation of the routes, jamming of the enemy radar, and a precise strike ability."
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The also knew which ones were full.  Which suggests solid tactical intel.  HUMINT is probably solid.  Maybe SIGINT but not sure Ukraine has that capability.[/quote]

Aren't we providing SIGINT, and substantial amounts of it?[/quote]

Look the Russians are not a sophisticated and modern force. They mass and attack. They are not hiding fueling supply area. They most likely had a steady stream of fuel trucks and lines of trucks leading the facility. It’s in Russia and they think they are safe. [/quote]

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