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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Any military expertise on how Russia could not even defend its own air space against helicopters? Getting bombed on their own soil is another defeat.[/quote]

Three possible scenarios:  a.) Russian false flag, b.) incredible incompetence, given the pilots had to fly through at least 100km of hostile occupied territory bristling with all kinds of antiaircraft weaponry, c.) miracle Ghost of Kyiv shit.
I personally don't believe in miracles... [/quote]

General Mark Hertling suggested that the "strike into Belgorod required more than just 2 helicopters striking a target.   It required analysis of the target set, planning of the mission, preparation of the routes, jamming of the enemy radar, and a precise strike ability."
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The also knew which ones were full.  Which suggests solid tactical intel.  HUMINT is probably solid.  Maybe SIGINT but not sure Ukraine has that capability.[/quote]

It's been publicly acknowledged that the US military was in Ukraine training their forces for years before this war started. I haven't seen press reports that other NATO countries were doing the same, but I expect they were. I don't think it's too far of a leap to guess that there's a lot of technology, training, and analysis techniques that have been provided to Ukraine.

I'll also say that I don't think it passes the "Washington Post test" IF - big IF we (the US) had this intelligence and didn't share it with Ukraine. [/quote]

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