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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Age guy is so pathetic that hes been deduced to copying other people's work and trying to add play downs into it. Too bad hes dumb and doesnt understand math. Which makes his cut and paste job even more laughable.[/quote]

I think the combined sharing of the maxtrix makes this thread even worse/less useful than ever![/quote]
If age guy wasnt posting intentionally misleading and incorrect matrix's it wouldnt be so annoying. But he has an agenda for older players to play down against younger players so what do you do?[/quote]
People will quickly see that one of the matrixes doesnt make sense if they look closely at the birthdate ranges.[/quote]
True but its pathetic that he's posting intentionally incorrect info. All to try and normalize playing down. This is against the rules and something only cheaters embrace.[/quote]What is against the rules and cheating? Ridiculous. And what team in the DMV let's kids choose to play up just cause? None, the answer is none. All your misdirection has been for naught.

Anybody can play based on their 8/1-7/31 DOB. Calling this cheating is a you problem, nobody else is questioning the rules like they have to be rewritten to help their kid but you. Always has been.[/quote]
Look at Age guys matrices. A 2010 senior is just not possible unless the skipped 2 grades. This is the issue' hes relaying incorrect information to try and justify playing down. [/quote]

So, this ECNL director from Michigan basically says they’re going to do what makes the most sense for their individual players (Case-by-case). Play them on age and showcase them on grade, if/when, that makes sense. He does say college coaches want to see all players of a class together but also notes what league, who the opponents are also vital in player evaluation. He says some of their best players they’ve had, including a YNT now a GK at Penn State, were late developers. Also, this club plays year round, so hasn't had to deal with trap players.

The age change is discussed between roughly 14-20 minutes of this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdLkj6MmgIA

Highlighting key parts:

[b]I Hate Soccer Guy:[/b] I get DMs all the time about, well, my daughter's an August birthday, but she's graduating and whatever. And like, what are you doing? Okay, let's say a kid falls on the junior team. … Junior class team, but she's graduating this year with the seniors or whatever. … I know a lot of Flash girls are just going to stay in their grad year. What are you guys going to do?

[b]ECNL dude:[/b] So we actually we spent a lot of time talking to a lot of the top clubs, a lot of like we talked to players, people in the federation, we talked to people in college like what would be the best thing to do because at some point as well you have to rip the band-aid off. It's like if you keep everything as is, you just push the problem down the road. [b]So for us, every single kid is going to where their birth date aligns. Okay? And that includes like no exceptions.
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So now if we find a situation now where we need to move a kid because they're just unchallenged, right? Then you can move them from there. Yeah. Right. But let's align it all. We'll rip the band-aid off. Right. And now we can truly see things. And not only that, but you look at like if I'm a if I'm a senior and I have the opportunity to play U17 again, I'm doing it a 100 out of 100 times because there's six playoff spots. There's an environment where you're competing for longer, right? right? You got the opportunity to do things and the motivation level is really high. The senior year always curtails unfortunately. Yeah. Um you know with kids. So you know for me it's a lot of people fall into that and as well you get a great benefit of if you're uncommitted you now get to get a redo on some of the exposure that you know you maybe wouldn't have before if you were on a senior team, right?

So there's there's a lot of benefits. So for us, you know, we're in a situation where everyone's going into that and then we can move things off of that if it's the right thing. Now then you also have to look at it. Okay, if a player goes into an age younger but their grade level is here, how do you help them with showcasing? So for us, we have made sure that in our kind of roster assembly, we created opportunities so that you know at ECNL showcases or Jefferson Cup or something like that, we have the ability to bring this player with us. [b]So now they still get the best of both worlds, right? If you can develop inside this environment, we can also then showcase you with your grade level, but also if you're maybe a little bit of a late developer, like for example, your typical recruitment, your elite players are getting watched a lot, their sophomore years. [/b]

Your next tier is mainly the junior year, but let's say you make it to junior year and you've really developed, but now you're on a mainly sophomore team. [b]You get the opportunity to now get re-seen, right, by a lot of those schools that maybe aren't watching junior classes anymore.
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[b]I Hate Soccer Guy:[/b] I've never thought of it like that.

[b]ECNL dude:[/b] Yeah. Okay. So, there's a lot of benefits to it. That's a positive of being playing down again.

Like another positive because the younger parts of the older grade are typically going to be your late developers, right? So, it gives you the opportunity now to really help them because they, you know, whether it's physical maturation, mental, whatever it might be. It's ultimately up to the kid, but they can showcase because we've had a ton of kids that have come in, you know, and been late developers. They've been on second and third teams and they've risen and they've gone, you know, RL to ECNL to power four, right? And that's, you know, one of our one of our goalkeepers is one of my favorite stories of all time. She's a sophomore at Penn State right now. … So you know, yeah, those late developers are there. And that's the thing is you have to have ways to help them, right? [b]And this kind of provides a natural way. If you are a younger part of your grade, you now have a second opportunity that maybe you wouldn't have got before.[/b]

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Wow ... A top longtime director in youth soccer basically saying it's case-by-case after consulting with the top part of the system and echoes what's been said locally. This thread can end -- at least the grade part of it -- unless you just want to ignore reality and complain. I bet that NJ ECNL club which say they're prioritizing grade first really are doing what this guy says behind the scenes.[/quote]
No he said hes planning to split the difference and play Aug birthdays down in league and up in showcases.

Which makes things incredibly difficult for Aug birthdays because they're expected to play up with their grade level only at showcases. Which wont work put well. [/quote]It's an obvious thing to do because of the cumulative advantages of RAE (the Matthew Effect) and after puberty, the age group differences are much less than they are when the kids are very young. Everyone, the clubs, the parents, the leagues, the colleges; has already figured this out, play on age when young, easy to address when past puberty.[/quote]
He also likely knows that Aug birthdays playing on grade down teams will have an incredibly difficult time with recruiting. If this wasnt the case he wouldnt have them play up in showcases so they appear aligned. [/quote]Not difficult at all, they have a solution and 90 % of recruiting is from the player.[/quote]
You cant instagram post your way into changing a coaches mind that players are pathetic for choosing to play on geade down teams.

This is what people mean when they say that misaligned players will get ignored. Theres so many players that want to play in college they dont need to sift through the bargain bin.[/quote] Science says the youngest are least likely to advance, that's proof that you are wrong. The youngest get ignored not the oldest.

You opinion just don't carry any weight.[/quote]
Oh so now you're back to "science"

Checking my watch so I can get a time frame on how long it takes you to start pushing for 36 month older holdbacks to play against younger players at showcases again.[/quote]Bad deflection. You opinion just don't carry any weight.

And you can't name a DMV club that offers this play up option for funzies.

Also, there are atl least 5 or so telling up you are a lunatic on this thread. I'm not pushing for showcases by grade or sharing any inside info. That's the other people talking to league and team leadership.[/quote]
No its all you and your play down agenda.[/quote]

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