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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So, are we heading into WWIII or will we just quietly abandon Ukraine in the coming months?  I can’t see anyone having the stomach for that kind of escalation. Would China use this opportunity to move on Taiwan?[/quote]

Ukraine is abandoning Ukraine; they just want peace.

If they just want peace, what can we do?

Nothing.  And that’s OK.  We didn’t let these people into NATO for a reason.  Time to land the peace and be done.[/quote]

Ukraine is not abandoning Ukraine. They can do the basic math and realize that Russia would demolish them in open war. It is an insanely lopsided matchup. US/Europe need to step up here, it's their fight.

(Also, friendly reminder that Ukraine had nuclear weapons - which would have allowed it to defend itself from Russia rather than depending on allies - and they gave them up in exchange for a promise that allies would step up and protect their borders). [/quote]

Show me that treaty obligation…

In truth Ukraine never had launch control so not really.

I won’t be sending my son to fight for k street and big defense.   Sorry.  Is your boy available?[/quote]

1994 Trilateral Statement:
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Ukraine-Nuclear-Weapons
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