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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]In fact, the accusation was "helping rapists rape."  [/quote]

[quote]3r here. This isnot the first time a poster has accused others of being rape supporters, victim blamers and enablers. Some of us are getting a bit tired of it.  [/quote]

[quote]Being told that you're "helping rapists" is also not persuasive. That accusation was made more than once this afternoon.[/quote]

Yes x3, it's getting very tiresome. Somehow if we are not all 100% anti Brock in every single one of our comments then we support him. And "help rapists rape". Ridiculous and over the top insulting.

Yes, he did some very bad things. He is being punished for them. Good. But there ARE other lessons here to be learned.

Don't rape. 
Be careful. 
Help others. [/quote]

We heard you the first 10 times.[/quote]

Oh really? And I bet it still sounds like I'm helping rapists rape, huh?  :roll: 
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You just keep repeating yourself like you're saying something profound, and it's annoying me. I don't think it's profound at all; I think it's simplistic. And I don't think you get why saying "be careful" in this context is lame. Of course, everyone should be careful. You don't think the victim wishes she'd been more careful? You can't read the story without thinking, gosh, I should be more careful. But it's shitty to say it, because she paid 1000000 times over for her "carelessness." And nobody deserves what happened to her. And when you do what you're doing, which is assign guilt, you're telling every single person that reads your words that if they're raped, they should [b]go over what they did and think about their role in it.[/b] [/quote]

I'm sure rape victims already do that. [b]In a case like this where some bad decisions were made you think we should just completely ignore those bad decisions and not try to learn from them at all? You would think rape victims would be the first to jump up and and say "Protect yourself, ladies, as best you can! There are bad people out there". Empower others to avoid these bad guys, if they can. They can't all be avoided, but if you have *some* control over a situation why wouldn't you at least try your best to reduce the risk. 
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If I had sons, I'm sure I'd be thinking of ways to help them be a good person and respect others. Be a Swede.

But I only have girls so I'm thinking of ways to help them avoid these bad guys.

Anyway, it has been said 70,000 times now so I'll stop. Unless the "help rapists rape" comments continue. 
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+ a million!! It's true empowerment to try to be at your best to have as much control over a situation as is humanly possible. Regardless of the circumstances, whether it's a man or a woman, you pretty much lose control of what's happening when you drink heavily.[/quote]

Great. You're so helpful. Because not drinking solves everything.

He might have spiked her drink!!! She wasn't a heavy drinker..... Don't be so quick to judge.

I avoided bad guys in college at a very competitive, socially intense school where there was a ton of binge drinking and all kinds of sexual stuff happening, very similar in those respects to Stanford. You know what it meant? not being cool, and suffering the social consequences.

Blowing off people when they were headed into wierd situations, excusing myself and walking home alone when things were getting wierd.

So there I was, not drunk, doing the right thing, with no choice but to walk home, alone. I could have gotten raped walking home alone, not drunk, dressed in a cardigan, or as conservatively as she was.

Do you think you would have some other advice for what to do in those other situations?

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No one has said that just not drinking heavily would be the answer to every situation. It's still a powerful message, and people need to hear it and act on it. I get the situation you're describing and don't have a perfect answer. I do think colleges and universities need to provide more solutions whether it's small buses or taxis or a "help" line to call for assistance. Many do those things already.  Just watching the Hannah Graham videos should be enough reason for making changes. I absolutely can't imagine the fear and pain she experienced.[/quote]

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