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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]Oh, sweetie... when I look at the God question rationally, I see absolutely no room for God. It is clear to me that we evolved and morality is a function of our inherent nature as primates who live in troupes. [/quote]

OK, let's assume you are correct.  There is a high price to pay for that position.  If morality is just something that emanates from the mishmash of atoms that comprise a particular human being's perspective, then nothing is actually wrong.  Child rape, genocide, wife beating...not [i]actually[/i] wrong.  Sure, you personally may find those things wrong, and you might even get a coercive power to say they are wrong, but they are not wrong independent of you and your henchmen.  Another powerful group comes along who disagrees with you, and they will then have their list of things that are wrong, like women having the right to vote and black people having equal rights to white people.  And so on and so on.
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Morality means nothing if it is dependent on human perspective and power. [/b] Without an Absolute Authority, it's all the same, from Gandhi to ripping hearts out of living children.[/quote]

Not that PP here. This is part of why we fight wars. As much as we believe in our culture's standard of morality, there is another group of people who believe they are right and we are completely wrong. Talibans, for example. [b]Each side sees the other side as the devil[/b].[/quote]

Indeed.  And under the materialist version, everyone is right unto themselves and nothing is actually wrong.  We are just collections of cosmic dust, which come together and fall apart;  higher order animals in a natural selection struggle, somehow needing to delude ourselves with fairy tales to rationalize our choices.

[b]But there IS a law of human nature, just as there are laws of the physical world, all of which we simply observe and discover--we do not create. [/b] [/quote]

Ok but is there a requirement that you have to believe in God to understand and abide by these laws? Can an atheist not be good and morale without needing a God?[/quote]

Of course an atheist can be good and moral without believing in God, in the same way that someone who does not believe the sun exists can still feel its warmth and see its light and benefit from its placement in the universe, which makes life on Earth possible.  A sun denier can close her eyes, turn her back, shake her fist at the sun, and swear it is not real, it does not exist, but that has no effect on its reality.  Its reality is independent of the sun denier's perspective.  And the sun denier would still benefit from the sun's existence.  Indeed, the sun denier could not live without the sun.

In the same way, an atheist can sense the moral law, understand it, live by it, all while denying its Author.  But the moral law could not exist without its Author.  The atheist is benefiting from the truth while refusing to acknowledge its source.[/quote]

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