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If you tell a woman that she must wear a niqab or be subject to violence, that;'s a violation of her rights.  Duh.  And I do think I have a security interest in being able to see the face of a person I'm encountering in a public place.  I could care less what people do in the private sphere (their homes, private schools, whatever), but in public places, yes, I think it's a security issue.  [/quote]
What makes you think women who cover their faces do it out of fear of violence?  [b]You know there's no requirement for it in religion or in the law.[/b]  You are incapable of believing that a woman may choose to cover her face, and that makes you small-minded.

Well, I don't think you have a security interest in being able to see the face of a person in a public place. You may prefer it; it may make you uncomfortable to not have it, but your opinion or comfort level are not relevant to public policy. It's simply none of your business. [/quote]

That's clearly untrue.  Clearly, many people interpret Islam to require it, and [b]there are women in Iran jailed for not doing it. [/b] You can call me names all you want, but your one-sided moral relativism doesn't convince me.  Sure, SOME women may want to do it, but even those have been conditioned to do so.  Even setting the conditioning aside, some women are certainly forced to do so.
The security issue is a separate one.  You've offered no logical rebuttal.   I have no issue with headscarves, because there's clearly no security issue there.  But if we as a culture start to adapt to niqabs, then lots of people can take advantage of that.  I don't want that to happen here, where it has never been part of the culture. That's one on which I think people ought to adapt.  Again, I have no concern with people dressing however they want at home or in private spaces.  Even if personally I think it is a sexist custom.[/quote]
That's a lie, and it tells me how little you know about Muslim-majority countries. Iran, of all places, has NEVER required a face cover.  A head cover, yes.  A face cover, no.  You've made that up.

Separately, no Muslim-majority country except some parts of KSA requires a face cover legally.

Conditioned?  Well, I think some women have been conditioned to wear miniskirts and show cleavage.  Some women have been conditioned to dress modestly. So?  Are we all not a product of our conditioning?

Niqabs are worn by a minority of Muslim women, a very small minority.  The idea that it can somehow grow in the U.S. is inane on its face.

Do you have a problem with women being forced to wear anything? Or is it just the niqab that attracts your particular wrath?

I don't think you security comment warrants a "logical rebuttal."  Women who wear niqabs do not object to removing them in front of persons charged with actual duties of security.  You aren't that person.  Separately from that, someone committed to crime will not care that face coverings are illegal, they will simply do that when it's a part of the plan, hence the masks on bank robbers. [/quote]

Ah yes, you're right.  It's the hijab that women are jailed for not wearing in Iran.  I can see how these "cover yourself" issues aren't forced on women at all.  Good point.
Separately, if you are honestly saying that you think that no significant portion of niqabis are forced to wear that by their fathers or husbands, then your head is so far in the sand that you are pointless.
I have a problem with women being forced to wear anything other than what men are forced to wear.   And yes, that includes shirtlessness.  (Though I much prefer public spaces where men have to wear shirts, too.)  
Not sure where you got "wrath".   I have no wrath or anger toward women wearing niqabs.  I do feel sorry for them, honestly, though I'm sure that offends you.  
Unfortunately, I don't think the idea that the niqab custom can grow in the U.S. (or other Western countries) is so far-fetched.  We are seeing extremist Islam growing, why not the niqab?
Your point that robbers will wear one even if it's illegal is silly.  The point is that if it were illegal, they could be stopped before they rob the bank.  Duh.
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