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Different PP, but I'm sad for you.  Being so brainwashed as to pretend niqabis are a free choice and not the result of enculturated oppression of women.[/quote]
Typical white girl thinking that anyone who isn't like her is brainwashed. Go ahead, tell the brown natives what to do. [/quote]

I'm not telling anyone what to do.   I have an opinion about it, but I'm certainly not dictating it.   And what "natives" are you talking about?  Is it your belief that the Muslims in the U.S. are "natives"?  No one's talking about traveling to majority muslim countries and telling them they can't wear niqabs.  The debate is about whether they ought to be allowed to in countries where they are most certainly not natives.   
And yes, I do think it's brainwashing.  I think that in order to believe that the sight of your fact is sacrilegious, you must be convinced that you are to be controlled and minimized.  Your power is diminished.  
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That's your interpretation.  Women who cover their faces may very well believe that you aren't special enough to see them.  The sight of their face is reserved only for special people, and you aren't one of them.

The "native" part is not about citizenship in any particular country.  It's about you believing that people who believe different things from you must need enlightenment.[/quote]

As you appear to believe as well.
Yes, there are areas in which I do think I know better than some other people do.   And you obviously do as well.  [b]As long as I'm not interested in imposing it on them,[/b] I see no reason why you should care.   You simply hold a different opinion, but you seem to think it's impermissible for me to have mine.
I see you backed off your "natives" silliness.  This is not a "white/brown" issue.  I'm not white, btw.[/quote]
But you are, since you'd like to ban the niqab in public places.  Therefore, you ARE interested in imposing your opinion on others. My opinion simply wants to preserve it as a choice, not deny it.

I didn't back off it, actually, I still think you have a Western person's arrogance about it, and it has nothing to do with your actual color. [/quote]

Ah, yes, I am a Western person.  And I have a Western person's bias towards women's rights.  (Actually, there are many Eastern cultures who have that view as well, just not yours.)  So you dismiss my view because I am Western, though we are talking about this issue in the context of Western society.  How very logical.
I do think it's a hard call whether niqabs should be prohibited in public spaces.  I don't think it's a good thing if you can walk into a bank or a convenience store in a niqab.  We have security cameras for a reason -- to deter crime because the take pictures of peoples' faces, thus increasing the likelihood they will be caught.  If it becomes culturally acceptable to walk around with a covered face, then we might as well get rid of that.   What idiot wouldn't wear a niqab to rob a store.  But we, as a government, have never sought to limit peoples' clothing choices except in the context of nudity or obscenity.  So it is a hard step to take.  Nonetheless, I think the security risk outweighs whatever expressive value there is to it.  And I'd say that if it were some Mormon faction covering their faces as well.
 
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