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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It is commmon for a lot of ESL immigrant families to put too many people in one house.  If you were to add up the incomes of all the people in that house, no way would they be under the poverty line.   You're lying to yourself if you think these people don't know how to take advantage of the system and report only the income of one family member on the form to get free or reduced meals for heir kids.  Word travels fast in the immigrant communities about how to save money.  If they ever get caught, they just play dumb and pretend like they didn't understand because they no speak English good. [/quote]

You sound dumb and racist. Different families living in one home may be a housing violation but it isn't a violation for public assistance programs. You seem to fail to grasp that a household, for public assistance purposes, relates to family members who are legally responsible for each other. The entire household is not counted, and why would it be? Your roommate or friend isn't responsible for providing food to your kids. Also, don't forget that for each additional person the income limit increases.

Please, take tour disillusioned, idiotic, xenophobic crap elsewhere. Or at LEAST learn a little bit about what you're talking about, because you clearly have zero idea about how social services work. [/quote]

+1. PP above is beyond dumb. If some families have to (or choose to) share their living space, let's congratulate them for their frugality and saving habits.

But I assume those are foreign concepts to some PPs like the one above.[/quote]

Damned if you do and damned with you don't with some people.

"How can someone afford to live here?"
"They get roommates."
"No fair! If they have roommates they should pool their money and feel rich!"

:roll:[/quote]

There's a big gap between being poor and being rich.   If you are legitimately poor, in poverty, that's what FARMs are for.   But, if you're a large family pooling your resources together, you may not be rich, but you're not necessarily poor either.   The test for these programs is household income, not per capita income.  You may not like the rules and you may enjoy spending taxpayer money to help middle class families taking advantage of the system, but that doesn't change what the rules are. [/quote]

You are crazy.

Call the IRS and ask them if three families living in one same house automatically become one household unit and should prepare one combined tax return.

Did I mention you are crazy?[/quote]

+1 You may WANT it to work that way, PP. But that doesn't mean it DOES.[/quote]

Well, it DOESN'T and it SHOUDLN'T, because it simply makes no sense.

Say my adult cousin needs to move in my basement for a year. Or what about an au-pair. Or the 3 guys I shared a house with several years during college. Are we all part of the same legal & fiscal household?

Of course not.[/quote]

I don't think most people are talking about your cousin renting out the basement or the au-pair.  We're talking about a large extended family living together and depending on each other in a SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE.  Public assistance programs often require you to list all forms of support you are receiving including indirect support.  I know - I've filled out the forms before for other family members.  If you're being honest about indirect family support, it is often very difficult to receive public assistance.  Whatever.  The people on this board who think public assistance programs are all on the up and up and that everyone is being 100% honest and/or there are proper safeguards in place to ensure that cheating is kept to a minimum are laughable.  [/quote]

Cash assistance from family members? Countable. Providing shelter at no charge? Not countable. At least, not for SNAP or reduced lunch.

No one said everyone is being 100% honest. People are saying that there is an obvious misunderstanding about how the programs work, and that a lot of what is being thrown around as "fraud" is not fraud. And also, yet again, if you ACTUALLY KNOW of anyone committing fraud, report it. [/quote]

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