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[quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]Amen to the pps above 
Can't we all admit it's a grey area? It's not black and white. One side is trying to depict many of us as unfeeling monsters. 
But the grey area is that we don't know certainly that all we are bringing in to the west are OK. All but a few are in need of help. I feel for them. If it were black and white, I'd say bring as many as we can. 
Many Americans want to protect what we have. Let's help them get re-settled, but not inside US borders. [/quote]

We have this same conversation over and over. The US has helped create the refugee problem by supplying weapons to those involved in fighting and participating in the fighting itself. Therefore, we have a moral obligation to help resolve it. We cannot expect other countries to accept refugees if we refuse. That is the price of leadership and the price of our foreign wars. The refugees that we are considering brining to the US have been in camps for years. There are plenty of them, allowing us to select only those who can be vetted.

No ISIS terrorist is going to sit around in a camp for years hoping to be selected to come to the US. The go to Europe because it does not require waiting in a camp. Comparing the situation in Europe to the situation in the US is apples and oranges.

You can claim not to see things in black and white as many times as you wish, but if your only solution is to not accept refugees, that is a black and white solution. There are plenty of compromise between no refugees and open doors. 
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Incorrect, he said until we can figure out who is coming in.[/quote]
By the ^PPs own words, we can't figure out who is coming.  Will we ever?  So, the "until" would be when?  Never?[/quote]
Until a systems is in place.  Can't argue a counter factual.  [/quote]
There is already a system in place. We vet ALL immigrants and refugees.[/quote]

No we don't, when the DHS, FBI and such were asked, they said they don't have a system.

“We can only query against that which we have collected, and so if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interests reflected in our database, we can query our database til the cows come home, but … there’ll be nothing show up, because we have no record on that person,” - James Comey.

“You can only query what you’ve collected,”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93hud8EVpDU

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What do you mean they don't have a system. Of course they have a system. Comey is saying that he can't guarantee that the system is perfect. Here is a very good overview of the vetting process written by a conservative source:

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2015/12/how-the-refugee-vetting-process-works

Note that Comey only speaks for the FBI which is only one of several agencies involved in vetting.

No vetting system can be guaranteed to be perfect. Nobody is making that argument. But, the threat is not near the level that it is being made out to be.

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