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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP here. You guys really love you some reparations, huh? Lots of people on here trying to reason away why we (the U.S.) should not owe AAs reparations. Opposition to the debt this country owes AAs is a clear denial of history. AA success in this country has happened DESPITE continued institutionalized racism and oppression.

It's undeniable that the U.S. government owes a moral debt to AAs. Period. I'm White/Asian, and I'm a lifelong conservative. I can easily admit this b/c history makes it very clear. We can disagree or debtate how we payback this debt, and who its specifically owed to, but to ignore it or explain it away with things like "Whites didn't own slaves" or "My family wasn't here, or didn't have slaves, so I shouldn't owe" is really meaningless.[u] [b]Its not about you personally. Its not about whites. Its not even completely about poverty. Its about the U.S. government as an institution and the atrocities it engaged in or allowed, for centuries, on the basis of skin color.[/b] [/u]

The debt owed to AAs is with the [u]U.S. government.[/u] We (tax paying citizens) pay for things we were directly not responsible for all the time. We have paid out billions to Iran, and middle eastern countries to right wrongs. We paid the Native Americans billions and allow tax breaks. We paid Japanese Americans billions, who were relatively new to this country BTW in general. We even paid slave owners reparations after abolishing slavery.  
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Lets not stop there. We pay when government officials make mistakes or commit atrocities (e.g. police shootings, sexual harassment claims). We pay for policy failures of past federal and local admintrations with our tax dollars. Why all of sudden do we push the brakes when we talk about paying back the very people whose ancestors built this country for free with their blood? Why is THIS one the cardinal sin? This is baffling to me. [/b]

For those fixated on "that was in the past we don't owe anyone anything," what about more current atrocities like the effective exclusion of blacks from the GI bill that help rebuild the white middle class, oppressive voting restrictions, housing discrimination, lack of access to credit, watered down affirmative action and civil rights laws, non-enforcement of civil rights laws, racial disparities in sentencing and LE practices. You want to focus on class and ignore race when the issues AAs faced were a direct result of race based policies. You don't think this would have lasting impact on a large % of the targeted group? The shit makes me furious just writing about it, and honestly I still don't understand why AAs as a group support the idea of big government.

You want to talk about poor Whites, or the historical disenfranchisement of Asians? We can brainstorm policies to address that. But it does not diminish the debt the U.S. owes to AAs.

One last thing: Using other countries as an example of how to deal with reparations is [u]weak[/u].  We aren't Russia, China or some poor war torn third world country. This is America and we are supposed to be the greatest country in the world. We are supposed to be the lead. WTF would we copy standards from other countries? Or more specifically, since we have already paid reparations [u]numerous times[/u], why would would we only follow their lead when it applies to AAs? Stop it with this.

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+1.  Great post.  So much truth, but most of these folks don't understand or care.[/quote]

Please, that was a terrible post. [b]We are already paying reparations through state-sponsored discriminatory admissions and hiring processes[/b]. I would rather pay a lump sum than deal with BS from unqualified people for the rest of my life. [/quote]

Not PP, but lets ride with your comment for a second.  You think EEO and affirmative action laws, which make it illegal for institutions to discriminate based on race (among other things), and which require racial minorities to be [u]considered[/u] when making decisions, are "discriminatory?" You consider laws that require institutions to do what they are morally supposed to do, reparations? LOL

The Trump School of Trolling has failed you my friend. [/quote]

Not PP. Just curious. I'm guessing you're really young or maybe self-employed? That's not how AA works in terms of employment. It's not about ensuring consideration. [/quote]

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