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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The U.S. doesn't have to let in anybody, but we are a primarily a country of immigrants and immigrants' descendants.

It is a sad, sad day when a country that supposedly believes in religious freedom and tolerance proposes to ban a group of people based solely on their religion, [b]not on their political beliefs or their past[/b]. So sad, and so bigoted. That's Trump and his followers, alas. [/quote]

It's pretty hard to separate their religion from their political beliefs actions etc.  People think it's "hard" to come up with a way to "ban" Muslims; how much harder is it to determine which ones will integrate, be productive members of society, not be "interested" or susceptible to radical Islam and so on? Muslim immigration into Europe has been and continues to be a complete disaster.  Not all Muslims are incompatible with western society, but a significant percentage are.  I'm just not sure why people are hell bent on doing something which will almost certainly be bad for this country.  Google "Malmö Sweden bombings"; I don't want that for the US. Let me know when you come up with a way to determine which ones will successfully integrate and have kids who will do so as well. Until then I'd prefer to allow immigration from groups who have a track record of successful integration.
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The question asked in the original post is whether Trump is a racist. A policy that discriminates against one entire religion is not by definition "racist", but can be described in similar terms. When some of us described that policy in such terms, posters objected and said that Trump did not favor such a discriminatory policy. These responses, however, accept that Trump indeed supports a discriminatory policy and are simply arguing justifications for that policy.  The fact that Trump and these posters favor religion-based discrimination is not being disputed. 
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We "discriminate" all the time with respect to who is allowed into this country.  That's called common sense. A religion is not a "race", so it's clearly not a "racist" policy.[/quote]

I assume Hitler thought it was common sense when he chose to discriminate based on the same factor on which you are supporting discrimination. This is a country in which freedom of religion is a fundamental value. It is very sad to see how easily people like you are willing to cast that value aside. Are you actually arguing that discrimination on the basis of religion is better than discrimination on the basis of race? Are you arguing, "I'm not a racist, I'm simply an Islamophobe"? Obviously, that is your right, but it seems awfully wrong.

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Only the truly desperate would draw a false comparison to Hitler.  Hitler was discriminating against his own citizens.

As the above poster stated, we "discriminate" all the time with respect to who is allowed into this country.[/quote]

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