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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]We discussed some of this on the other thread.

Romans I refers to "the lust in their hearts." As others have said, this could refer to almost anything, including lust for worldly goods or sex outside of marriage. Putting a homosexuality connotation on the English translation into "lust" seems dangerous.

In Corinthians I, Paul talks generally about our bodies and specifically about prostitutes and general "immorality."

Again, you can claim Romans and Corinthians are referring to homosexuality, based on your own assumption that "Jesus must have said that homosexuality is bad." For many of us, though, without an explicit mention from Jesus in the gospels, this too seems like a reach.

The only mention of "sodomites" is in Timothy. As somebody else posted at 21:27 on page 1 of this thread, most modern scholars do not consider Timothy to have been written by Paul.
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Paul explicitly tells us: “God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error,” (Rom. 1:26–27).[/quote]
Exactly. He also says this in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11: "Or [i]do you not know[/i] that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolators, [i]nor men who practice homosexuality[/i], nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Chris and by the Spirit of our God."

And in 1 Timothy 1:8-11, he writes, "Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, [i]the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality[/i], enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of glory of the blessed God [i]with which I have been entrusted[/i]."

And there's that pesky "with which I have been entrusted" part exactly after delineating what THE LAW is, this being the law of God, not Paul's own advice.

It's easy to make the text say anything you want (or not say anything you don't want) if you don't actually pay any attention to what the text says.[/quote]

Why do you refuse to address the point that most schokars today think that Paul (whatever you think his attributes are) didn't write Timothy????[/quote]
Probably because that was stated as an assertion with no comment or validation for the assertion. There are probably more Biblical scholars who support Timothy being written by Paul (and the letter opens with it saying it's been written by Paul), than modern scholars who don't. Some of the modern Biblical scholars out there are atheists or hostile to the Christian faith. The attacks on Pauline authorship are often merely attacks on the faith. Those of us who believe in the Bible believe what it says. If you think it has no credibility, then none of these points are necessary. This entire thread was begun to refute those who say Paul didn't claim to be speaking for Christ, which, again, the text clearly states.

Further, as I noted when that initial PP was written, that still leaves a ton of books in the New Testament (some of which also mention sexual immorality and homosexuality) about which there is no dispute for Paul writing them. No one yet on this thread has given any sort of detailed refutation of what I wrote in the OP. It's been merely assertion or denial without examining the text.[/quote]

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