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There are not billions of Muslims.  More like 1.5 billion.

Yes, many Muslims read the Quran--more like memorize it--without the slightest idea of what it means.  But if you Arab and literate, as Ms. Arafa is, it is not so different from an English speaker reading Shakespeare because written Arabic has changed very slowly relative to written English.  With a few aids, you certainly can understand it.

[b]I gather you are not a native Arabic speaker as you seem so in awe of what you present as a document accessible only to those with special knowledge.  This is a form of gnosticism, and is totally contrary to the spirit of the Quran.[/b]

Interpretation is a different matter altogether.  There are many, many interpretations possible. I repeat that true Islamic theologians find the matter of women covering of no consequence as it is such a peripheral issue and so non-central to Islam.

History of fashion is an altogether different matter. The relevant historical fact here is that the hijab is very recent in origin and generations of women did not cover their hair without anyone suggesting they were in violation of Islamic dictates.

You prefer Mr. Yusuf's version. So much so that you linked him twice--no link to Leila Ahmed, who herself does not wear hijab, so--just guessing here--I am pretty sure she does not think it's necessary to enter heaven.  (I can't believe you really said that.  Really?  No hijab, no heaven?)
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This, a million times. The whole point of the Quran was that, supposedly, Christians and Jews had got it wrong, so God was finally going to send something so clear that the average person would be able to read and understand immediately. There was supposed to be no need for a hierarchy of theologians to interpret things, at least among the Sunnis.

[b]Which is why it's so annoying to read on DCUM, quite frequently, that "if you disagree, it's because you haven't spent years learning Quranic Arabic and history." [/b]

In Islam's early days and for centuries thereafter, many women didn't veil because they worked in the fields or at manual tasks, and a veil would have been impossible to manage. The veil was actually a symbol of class status. [/quote]

+1 to everything, especially the part that is bolded.[/quote]

Well maybe to prove us wrong you should study the Quran and islamic history and then come back and tell us if you hold the same opinion. [/quote]

If you study the Quran w/in a context, you'll find that "God's" rules were man-made.  Take halal, for example.  Do you really think a voice from the heavens warned people not to eat carrion?  lol!

There was no way of knowing how long an animal had been dead. Therefore, stay away from it, as it can be diseased.  That's not God's word; that's common sense.

Kosher rules apply to pigs, too. So you'll see connections between halal and kosher practices. One theory states that pigs, which were part of the Philistine  diet, were off limits to Jews b/c Jews wanted to distinguish themselves from the others.   God didn't come down and say, "NO PIGS!  They are unclean."  And they drained animals of blood b/c they didn't want to consume the animal's soul which they believed was house in the blood.

These beliefs are so outdated and laughable.   Yet people are anchored to them and can't make a move w/o first consulting an ancient text.[/quote]

Yes, we are "anchored" to them, because to us it is not man made, it is God's word. We are not interested in debating that with you because in our hearts we are content with our loyalty to that "ancient" text. What is intriguing is how much it irks you, however. Enough that you need to repeatedly mock someone who simply doesn't share your views. [/quote]

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