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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Morals and values don't come from religion.  They come from empathy.  The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.[/quote]

I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy.  I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.  [/quote]

And without your faith, you'd have no morals and values?[/quote]

Correct. I don't have the human self-awareness and empathy you referenced. I need "rules". [/quote]

I must be a bit Aspergers too.  I can easily imagine human societies that are very comfortable with cruelty and even murder.   The thought of them does not repulse me or seem unnatural.  To me, the "golden rule" has always seemed like wishful thinking, given the immense cruelty inherent in human nature and demonstrated throughout history.  It seems like wishful thinking on the part of the weak (I'm weak too, but I don't really expect the strong to in any way treat me well.  I just wish they would.)[/quote]

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