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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yes, but that's Oregon .... There, the legislature passed a law explicitly forbidding business from discriminating based on things like race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.  ... the Oregon bakers "risked" fines of up to $150,000, but were never actually fined.  They did NOT close their shop because of fines. Instead, "[i]The Kleins were forced to close up shop when the orders stopped coming in and they stopped getting referrals[/i]," which I see as pretty justified.  I assume you aren't suggesting customers should be forced to buy cakes from a business they disagree with, just because the owners happen to be anti-gay Christians, right?[/quote]
And that's very relevant - because government interference is what caused all that to begin with. Indiana saw that and got ahead of it, as well they should. They 'risked' fines - you honestly make that distinction? That's HUGE from the standpoint of whether or not one should keep one's business open.  I have a small business and would close shop immediately if I 'risked' a fine that large from government, especially if it meant compromising a personal belief that was protected by the first amendment. Reminds me of the mafia and how they pressured businesses 'pay us to protect you...or else'..

Customers can and should shop where they want, when they want. If that's what closes a shop, that's free market. But it should be on a fair playing field. n an all out nationwide media vendetta goes after a small bakery shop, do you really think it fair to the baker? Atom bomb to kill a fly? At some point, this game will backfire.[/quote]
You're misunderstanding what happened in Oregon.  The bakery fought the fine and won because the evidence wasn't totally clear against the bakery.  The bakery did NOT close because of a risk of fines.  The bakery closed because of the public backlash against its discrimination.  Customers shopped where they wanted, and the bakery closed because of the free market.  That's exactly what you propose, so what's your beef with Oregon?

And as for the threat of fines, I'd say Oregon's legislature passed a law, just like Indiana's did.  I don't recall a huge cry against it.  In Indiana, they passed a law and faced a huge backlash, so now they're backpedaling in Indiana.  Free market of ideas, right?[/quote]
It doesn't matter, does it, considering there was a legal battle over the fine to begin with. What part of government is stepping on first amendment rights to you not get? Please tell me why gay rights trumps Christian rights.

I am all for the free-market solution. [/quote]
You're not making logical sense.  The free market solution is exactly how Oregon played out -- a bakery closed because "[u]the orders stopped coming in and they stopped getting referrals[/u]," not because of any threatened fines.

And now you're somehow trying to say it's a First Amendment issue.  How exactly do you see it as a First Amendment issue?  No one in Oregon was prevented from practicing his religion or speaking his mind.  The baker made his position clear, and the public made its position clear.  The only time the government stepped in was to insist that businesses not discriminate in their sales -- not their free speech.  Hypothetically, if the baker wanted to hang signs proclaiming his anti-gay views, and even renamed his shop "I hate gays," there would be no problem.  It's when he refused to sell his product to certain buyers that he violated the law.[/quote]

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