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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The story about the black Yale student is a simple case of mistaken identity.  This is not "walking while black".   Please don't even try to say that it is, because the "walking while black" is a real problem for other non-Yale students.  Trying to equate this lame story with "walking while black" trivializes the entire issue, and creates a strawman that deniers can easily knock over.

To the PP who said his white son was stopped similarly for playing "hide and seek", I have a question.  Was your son on someone else's property?[/quote]

+1. That NYT column was a joke. The same thing happens to people of all races (and I know because it happened to me, and I am not black). The real root of the problem no one talks about is, why do statistics show that blacks are as  a group, much more likely to commit violent crimes? Half of all murders in the US are committed by blacks, which account for only 10% of the population.

Let's solve that first.[/quote]

Most black people are not murderers.  Let's remember that first.  [/quote]+1[/quote]

The quality of the discourse on this board makes me sad. One guy makes a red herring comment and another one gives it a +1. [/quote]

It's not a red herring to point out that statistically profiling is an incredibly dangerous thing.  99.9999% of AA's are not murderers.  That's a fact.  So should that 99.9999% give up their civil liberties because some tiny segment of the black population committed crimes?  Hell no.  [/quote]

It's a red herring because this data, even if true, is irrelevant to the fact that blacks have a far higher rate of crime than other racial groups. You can have a productive discussion about the possible causes of this phenomenon but it helps no one to divert discussion away from it by throwing out unrelated statistics.

Statistically profiling? Wow. That's rather redundant, don't you think? Statistics *IS* profiling.  Or are you just tacking on "profiling" to make it sound awful?

It's also highly ironic that you would call statistics incredibly dangerous, then follow in the next breath to throw out a statistic that is artificial and demonstrably incorrect, and explicitly claim it as fact. Take a look at this:

http://blackdemographics.com/culture/crime/

The statistics show 84,000 blacks in prison for murder, from a population of 45 million, makes for 0.187%. Meaning 99.813% of AA's are not murderers. I get your point, but your reckless use of data doesn't help make your case. It just reveals you to be disingenuous and ignorant.

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Well said.

And, to build on the analysis of real data, what is it about black males aged 16 to 24 that makes them so disproportionally likely to commit a murder?

Because THAT is the root of the problem, and helps contextualize incidents such as the one that opened this thread.[/quote]

But...in this case the police were not responding to a murder.

Also, this is a piss poor analysis of the data in the first place.  Very rudimentary and self-serving. Besides the raw numbers, what does that data tell you?  Is the number trending up or down?  What is the geopgraphical distribution of those numbers?  Hell, what are the crime stats for New Haven? FWIW, I think that stats are helpful.  But they are not the alpha and omega of the discussion and it is dangerous to rely on them.  Numbers can be packaged and presented in any number of ways to get to a final outcome.  Trust me...I used to do it.

We get it...you and the PP are proponents of racial profiling based on stats as a law enforcement tool.  Unfortunately the uptick in unlawful arrest lawsuits and the increase in police excessive force investigations are stats that tell you it might not be as effective as you think.    [/quote]

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