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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele]

Okay, then, in your own words, Jews and Christians embrace the practice of taking concubines based on that fact that Abraham took Hagar as a concubine. This said, I am not sure why you are only criticizing Muslims in this regard.[/quote]

If you show me a recent ruling by a reputable Christian or Jewish scholar that taking concubines is acceptable, I'll be willing to spill my scorn on them as well.

[quote=jsteele]

I again ask, do you expect average Muslims to agree with you and begin taking concubines or do you expect them to reject their religion? Or, are they only supposed to bow down to your obviously superior knowledge of their religion? It looks to me that your only interest is spreading a negative perception of Islam despite the fact that your effort is based on something that is practically unknown among Muslims.

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I have no expectations - of Muslims, of you, or indeed of anyone else.

Do you not get it, or are you refusing to get it? The issue isn't whether an average Muslim takes concubines or not. If you want to define the religion by what average Muslims do, well, average Muslims drink alcohol and engage in premarital sex, and it's perfectly clear the religion condemns it.  The issue is: does Islam, or does Islam not, in the words of whatever religious authority is authorized to interpret it today, allow for concubinage? Is it possible to locate a scholarly opinion by a Muslim scholar, today, that concubinage is acceptable? The answer to that question is "yes."

It's practically unknown among Muslims because most of them are reasonable people.  This has nothing to do with what their scholars say is permissible.  We don't judge what religion allows by the action of its followers. We judge what the religion allows by the laws of its scripture.[/quote]

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