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[quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I just hink of our trip to Hawaii, sitting on a beach next to a muslim family. The husband and sons were enjoying the beach in their biard shorts. The wife and daughters were covered nearly head to toe in heavy black, long sleeves, heavy head scarf, sweltering in the July sun.

Sitting on a beach in the middle of paradise, those poor ladies looked sweaty and miserable.  The guys looked like they were having a blast.

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I'm not Muslim, but having traveled to a Muslim country where I dressed in hijab and abaya, I can say that I was actually cooler than I would have been with the sun on exposed skin.[/quote]

Then why aren't the men dressed like that too, so that they too can be so comfortable?[/quote]

Devout Muslim men typically are covered. I actually find it odd that the men in the family you saw were so exposed. My childhood Muslim guy friend and his Dad would never have been without a t-shirt on the beach.[/quote]

Way to miss the point.

If it's so comfortable to be covered from heat to toe -- not in a t shirt -- why aren't Muslim men covered from head to toe, whether they are devout or not? Obviously no one would choose to dress that way.

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WE, Muslim women make that choice,  please STOP  speaking for us. I made choice to wear the hijab at the age of 25, CHOICE!!!!!! I have lived my life both uncovered and covered .I was a highly educated, independent woman living alone,  woke up one day and put a scarf on my head, by my own free will,   my life,  my choice, please allow me that freedom. Thank you!!![/quote]

There are some women who don't want to make that choice and they are threatened because of it....that is wrong. There are Christians who do not want to convert to Islam and they are threatened and that is wrong.

I find Americans very open and tolerant compared to other places in our world.  Not perfect but most of us are trying.  I think if you and other Muslims want to change the perception of islam, you need to take more risks and speak out about the oppression and injustices suffered by those who do not choose Islam.  I know Isis is extreme but even before Isis was around, there were muslim women who sought a different life and were denied this.

We all want peace but you can't have peace without freedoms. I have no problem with your covering. Your cartoon ignores that some women who were raised muslim do not want to cover, but they are nervous not to bc of the consequences they suffer.  Where is the virtue in that? [/quote]

Well I think it is unfair for you to blame the religion for what people choose to do.  Muslim women have the right to choose to cover or not.  I have lived in both Muslims and Non Muslim countries,  I have never ever met a Muslim woman who was forced to cover her head, not one.  Ironically, the only cases I know of are sensationalized stories from the media. Does it mean they don't exist? Of course not,  but that's not the norm, just like women are battered, abused and killed daily in the US by men in their lives.  Would it be fair to say that is the norm for all american women ?  never said Muslim women are not oppressed. I think all women in the world are oppressed when living in a patriarchal society. My point was that people here in the U.S. generalize other cultures into very belittling and untrue stereotypes, while failing to acknowledge their own hypocrisy.  I'm tired of being called a terrorist (jokingly except for one incidence, but it still hurts). This one dimensional view point, that Muslim women of all colors all suffer, and American/European women don't, is in itself oppressive to those Muslim women. They are denied their full humanity by being reduced to one aspect of their lives. And while everyone so self-righteously asserts that hijab & burqa are oppressive, many of those people are unaware that their tax money goes towards the murdering of those very same women that they claim to care so much about. My desire if not for the oppression and murdering of women in Islamic countries to go unnoticed, my desire is that we also shift the focus to ourselves, once in awhile......[/quote]

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