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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yes, absolutely true.  And TJ is not for everyone- it's a hard decision to make for many families.  But there are also definite statistics that are very transparent w/r/t TJ, because TJ publishes them.  For example, the number of TJ students accepted to Princeton is supposedly the highest number of admitted students for any HS in the country.  I have personally spoken with Harvard application reviewers for the DC area who were astounded how many TJ applicants sailed through the process (it was described as the DC HS that Harvard offered admission to the most students to).  If Edison has acceptance numbers, those could be placed next to TJ's and a comparison could be made.  [b]But I don't think overall one can say that Edison admission stats match TJ's - it's just not true.  [/quote][/b]

I don't think anyone was ever saying that.  [/quote]

Yes they were:

"I bet a kid with those stats coming from Edison would have gotten into those ivys. Then she would've at least had the choice of them or uva, which is the point of this thread, right?"

"I can tell you unequivocally that you take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race, etc. - one of them is at Edison and one is at TJ, the kid at Edison will have a better chance of being accepted."

""take two children who are otherwise the same - i.e., test scores, grades, extracurriculars, race..." I think that assuming those factors are the same, she's probably right that the kid from Edison gets the nod."

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There's a disconnect here, as the quotes you've excerpted don't stand for the proposition for which you've cited them.  Surely TJ supporters are brighter than this.

No one is disputing that the TJ student body as a whole will have higher qualification and more admissions to prestigious colleges than the Edison student body as a whole.  The question put on the table, though, was how [b]two equally qualified candidates from each school would fare[/b].  You could argue - although you might not want to acknowledged this - that TJ provides Student A with opportunities that Student B will never have, such that they will not appear to be equally qualified when it comes time for them to apply to schools, but the arguments you're making here are off-point. [/quote]

That is the point: The premise assumes EQUAL qualifications. One cannot then add another factor (SES) to the mix and say the applicants are EQUAL. If one wants to discuss SES or opportunities, that is another discussion. However, do not repeatedly say equal in all respects for applicants from 2 schools and then say well maybe they are not really equal.

In fact, the previous posts went further and said if the students were equally qualified (including race) in all respects, Edison applicant has the advantage. That is not correct. If Edison applicant has a different background (lower SES), again that is not equal and that is a different discussion.

Get the facts straight before attempting to insult people.[/quote]

Go back and look at the quotes you excerpted, and you'll see they assumed the two hypothetical students in question have the same SES.  To say one cannot fairly assume they attended schools with different SES profiles defeats the entire purpose of the OP's inquiry.

Challenging the lack of rigor in your analysis is an observation, not an insult.  [/quote]

If you want to change the premise and say that TJ students are at a disadvantage (given equal qualifications in all respects with Edison students) because in your words "TJ provides Student A with opportunities that Student B will never have, such that they will not appear to be equally qualified when it comes time for them to apply to schools", that is also incorrect.

It is obvious the school profiles for TJ and Edison are different. Furthermore, since the top colleges are very familiar with the rigor and challenges of schools such as TJ versus typical high school, a TJ student with equally qualified stats (including similar SES) will actually have an advantage over typical public high school student.

Colleges do not automatically assume SES level for the whole school population in making admissions decisions although they are aware of or familiar with some well-known schools. They make the initial cut based on GPA and SAT/ACT scores and then consider other factors (ECs, Essays, LORs) and SES, courses taken, reputation of school etc. in reviewing each applications. For example, for 2 white kids with 4.3 weighted GPA, 2100 SAT and same qualifications in all respects, TJ kid will definitely have an advantage over Edison kid. [/quote]

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