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Hey liberal,

Put your money where your mouth is.  It is common knowledge that conservatives are significantly more charitable than liberals.  Conservatives hate the poor?  Then why do we [u]personally[/u] do so much more than you guys to lend them a hand?  [/quote

[b]No, the research shows conservatives are very charitable when it comes to giving to their own churches. They're not especially benevolent when it comes to helping people in need. Which is why we need robust public policy social safety nets. But nice try with that whole changing the subject/misdirection thing. Which Alinsky was that now?[/b] [/quote]

Bolding my previous response as I goofed with the editing.[/quote]

Where do you think the money from their churches goes?  I know that the money from MY CHURCH goes to help homeless shelters and food pantries in my community.  So, try again.  [/quote]

No they don't.  They go to build bigger churches to entice larger congregations.  HOw's that building fund going?  It's used to support the choir, the children's fund (that is the children who attend the church).  It's used to pay the utilities and all the trustees and workabees at the church.  Don't forget the pastor and his wife's salary.  It's used to pay for the pastor's house, car and upkeep.  Etc., etc.  Very little is used to help the homeless, but I will give you this.  The church has to do a little something, something for those not affiliated with the church, otherwise they could not hold on to that non-profit satus.  So they give the bare minimum as required to keep that status.  Everything else is poured back into the benefit of those who are givinginto the system.  Self-supporting cycle.    [/quote]

Perhaps this has been YOUR experience - not mine.  I go to a fairly small church - only a few hundred members.  Any "building funds" come from dedicated funds above and beyond weekly offerings.  Church "employees" are minimal.  Pastor, part time secretary and part time music director.  Salaries are actually quite small for all three.  The home our pastor lives in was purchased using a down payment collected from the congregation in a "fund" - people who contributed will receive that money back with NO INTEREST when the house is sold and this money was not tax deductible.  We do not pay for his car, or anything else - those funds are paid for by him with his salary.  The worker bees at our church other than the 3 above are all VOLUNTEERS - yes, there are people out there that do for others without expecting anything in return.  Our church gives quite a bit to support the local homeless shelter, the local food pantry, and other community services that rely on the goodness of others. And, we have several "work days" a year where we provide upgrades and upkeep to people in the neighborhood at NO EXPENSE TO THEM.  Congregants volunteer and we get most of the materials donated - some we purchase with the weekly offerings.  We also collect food for pantries, people donate new toys, clothing, and other things to sponsor families at Christmas, and we have a plethora of other "drives" for the needy throughout the year.  So, those of us who are donating to our church are indeed helping others in need.  I could go on and on about what my church does to help, and where our money goes, but I think you get the idea.  I am sorry YOUR church experience is not the same.  I would bet that more are like mine than like yours.  
For all of you out there that think donations to churches are "poured back into the benefit of those giving into the system"- you either don't belong to a church, or your church experience is not the best.  Not only do our weekly offerings go to help others OUTSIDE our church, but so do the numerous things we do throughout the year to help our community.   We have a congregation that donates not only money to all of these things, but an incredible amount of time.  This is what being a Christian is all about.    [/quote]

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