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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]To the one who was talking about science. Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God.[/quote]

I am a scientist.  I believe that there is something sublime, and perhaps even divine in the natural world, the way systems work, the fragility of life.  I am truly in awe.  But I don't feel like I'm in awe of God, but of Nature as it does appear miraculous.  I don't however, believe in any formalized religion- no Jesus, no saints, no mystics, just nature, amazing, beautiful, miraculous, and yes, divine.

And, as is nature's way, when I die, my body will decompose, provide nutrients to the earth and the living creatures- grass, soil, worms.  The worm may go on to feed a bird, who goes on to feed a fox, which gives birth to a kit, etc etc.  It's all part of a system.

I don't begrudge anybody their beliefs, but I find plenty of people who begrudge me for mine, and for raising non-religious children.[/quote]

If you are a scientist, then how do you explain the scientific miracles in the Quran, that was revealed centuries before those were known to men?[/quote]

Several verses in the Koran say the earth is flat, with the sky set like a dome above. See 88:20 re flatness, for example.[/quote]

Wrong- 1) the quran doesnt say the earth is flat

2) the earth is not flat

3) It is impossible to describe the shape of the earth. It is not a sphere, it is from a the family of spheroid/ellipsoid so they invented a new word for it geo-spherical
That is due to translation, a lot is lost in translation when the quran is translated in english and then a lot of poeple scream outrage. The word used in 88:20 the word “suttihat”  and the word “tahaaha” in 91:6, all may mean, “to spread”, “to expand” or “to extend” with slight differences in their connotations but none signify the earth being straight-shaped or flat.

Qur'an 88:20
???? ????? ??? ????

Wa-ila al-ardi kayfa sutihat
And at the Earth, how it is [b]spread [/b]out?
Qur'an 88:20

Notice the word ??????? ? If you do a word search in an Arabic Qur'an text file you will find the word ???? , feminine for ???????

??????? = outspread , unfold , unroll , roll , lengthen , level , range , pave , pervade , circulate , grade , reach , even , level off , spread out , prostrate , plane , outstretch, flat , flatten , even , smoothen.

So why are people using FLAT to translate this verse?????? makes zero sense

spread out basically means that the earth has no end or no edge that you will fall over into space i.e. at all points on the surface of the earth, it is spread out in every direction you look. you can travel across the surface of the earth forever in any direction you want, but you will never hit an edge or wall to stop you from going further. The surface of the earth will always be spread out in all directions at any location on the earth whether you are on mount Everest or inside marina's trench. This indicate that the earth is rounded. any other shape in 3d would have an edge; like you would see the ground disappear and there would be space below. i still dont understand how spread out implies flat. Spread out means spread out. This is perhaps the most precise way of describing the shape of the earth without getting math involved. If Allah wanted to say flat He would have said just that (not carpet or spread out) and in that case the earth would have been flat! [/quote]

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