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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]any data to back up these generalizations?[/quote]

For those who don't have google -- or even CNN -- here's what http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/25/students.science.math/ said: "According to the report, the U.S. math scores were not measurably different in 2006 from the previous scores in 2003. But while other countries have improved, the United States has remained stagnant.In science, the United States falls behind countries such as Canada, Japan and the Czech Republic."

Here's what http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/26/opinion/26tue2.html?_r=0 said: "According to a follow-up(by theNational Academies) report published last month, the academies found that the United States ranks 27th out of 29 wealthy countries in the proportion of college students with degrees in science or engineering, while the World Economic Forum ranked this country 48th out of 133 developed and developing nations in quality of math and science instruction.

If you need more recent numbers, Google it yourself. Wake up. The data exist and are undeniable.[/quote]

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