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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I still don’t get it—if their universities are better than ours, why are their students so desperate to get into U.S. colleges, even to the point of cheating? That just doesn’t add up.

And ironically 2024-2025 we see surge in international students in US colleges even with Trump administration.[/quote]

1. Very difficult to get into top universities in China.

2. Cachet/prestige from studying abroad is a significant advantage in gaining employment in China.

3. Many want opportunity to emigrate to US and college is an initial step in that process.

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Okay, but if their economy is supposedly doing better than the U.S., at least according to the media, I don’t get why they’d want to come here at all—given the current economic mess and high unemployment and underemployment for American NGs. Same with Indian students. Why?[/quote]

Our salaries are much higher for the same difficulty of job.  They can send some home to family and the purchasing power is pretty good.  Also some Asian employers have longer workdays and more than 5 days per week as a basic schedule.

Also, having known people from these countries, many of them appreciate our freedom of mobility (even car-centric culture), our relatively nice and large residences (apartments to houses), our less grindy and more socially mobile schools, some freedom from political fear, clean air in our cities, less openly-visible poverty, etc.  Also the US still has cutting edge technology and businesses of great interest (Silicon Valley, etc.).

I work with many STEM immigrants who have become citizens or have other legal arrangements.  None of them would prefer to leave the US to go "home".  They are fairly assimilated since most came during grad school.  Their children are born here and usually don't have firm ties to their parents' birth countries except for visiting relatives on vacation.[/quote]

Okay, but this is where things feel contradictory to me. On one hand, the media on both sides talks about how strong China has become—and to be fair, some of that is true. The infrastructure and industrial growth there are clearly outpacing many developed countries, and at the same time, U.S. companies are still rushing to outsource jobs overseas.

But if China is really doing that well, why do so many people still try to come here for anchor babies, or send their kids to the U.S. for education? And meanwhile on DCUM, people constantly virtue-signal about how merit-based U.S. college admissions supposedly are compared to ours.

So what’s the real story here? If China is so strong and the system works so well, why is there still such a strong pull toward the U.S.? Is the media exaggerating, or are people’s actions telling a different truth?[/quote]

It’s a country run by democrats in the extreme—forced abortion/child limit policies, social scores and forced conformity to unanimous political thought, where the hell is Jack Ma?/community property. People have to escape for political freedom. [/quote]

If you do a little research, you will find the one child policy to be unevenly enforced. I remember reading profiles in the NYT of ordinarly Chinese who talked about their 2 or 3 other siblings but of course the reporter never expanded on that wrinkle in the family profiles. Ethnic minorities of which there are many and rural residents were officially allowed 2. There was a story of some rural peasant who had 7 sons and his mentally ill wife has found by a local tourist chained to an outdoor shed. She was basically being used as a breeding machine. Gotta wonder how the village party rep failed to notice that.
The conformity issue? There are actually a lot of voices and code slang the censors are constantly trying to figure out. Only a few years ago there were the strolling protests where people came out in droves to stroll - which isn't illegal but a LOT of people would gather to do that as a form of protest.
Community property? You do know there has been a private real estate bust after a lot of hor real estate speculation the country has been trying to deal with.
Jack Ma is still around. The government decided he was getting too big for his britches when he started to openly criticize them so they got him on some charges.

As for political freedom, I am not sure that was a priority over [b]economic freedom[/b]. The party is given the people the latter and that has whet the appetite for the former. Maybe with more responsibility handed to the people, political responsibility will follow. 
This form of government has only been around for 50 years. If past is prologue, we should look further into its history to divine what is in store.[/quote]

I broke the rules here because I listed some names in my original reply but China really hasn’t given much in the way of economic freedom. It’s mostly going that way because of the excess demand and jobs created by the United States capitalist system have been foisted upon them. They’re still derisive of anyone with their own money over there and so many executives have been locked up and fined for bogus reasons [/quote]

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