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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]We can debate all day long how many illegals there are, but can we agree that those who are illegal, should be deported? [/quote]

Immigrants are detained appearing in court for routine immigration hearings. What else are they supposed to do? They’re appearing regularly as asked.[/quote] You didn’t answer the question, if they’re here illegally should they be deported ? It’s not a trick question.[/quote]

I did above. Once again, "sure."

Now your turn. Can we agree that ICE going to courthouses where legal immigrants are going through the normal process and yet still being abducted by ICE is [u]proof[/u] that they are not only going after illegal immigrants, and that this is bad?

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They are not legal immigrants.  There is no specific definition of 'illegal immigrant' but they are included in nearly every count.
When they entered the country, they did not have a visa, but the government let them in anyway.  This did not give them legal status, and they were always in limbo subject to government withdrawing its protection.[/quote]

We could be humane about it, though.  If we set up a legal process for them to move through, in an attempt to gain some sort of authorized status, we shouldn't be pulling it out from under their feet.

Immigration enforcement is necessary.  How we do it reflects on our morals and character, not theirs.  [/quote]

What does it reveal about their character that they made a deliberate choice to break immigration laws?[/quote]

What does it reveal about your character that you make a deliberate choice to speed on the highway?  Nothing, right?  If I had a goal of living in the US I would see immigration laws as an arbitrary, artificial impediment the way speeding laws are.  Who exactly is harmed by my living in the United States?  The entire “oh you broke the law” discussion is so stupid because all of us break these types of laws all the time if it serves our purposes.  It’s up to the government to come up with a justifiable and effective enforcement scheme.[/quote]

Many people who aspire to live in this country follow our immigration laws. [b]A family I know who are legal immigrants/naturalized citizens voted for Trump, because they were ticked off they had to wait to come here, pay fees, go through health screenings, etc. to come here while Biden was letting the whole world enter illegally at our border.
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Apparently, you believe we should be a country with open borders and there are no harms to society from mass illegal immigration. Keep pushing these policies and see how you lose to Vance or another Republican you deem unacceptable in 2028. [/quote]

I also find this argument absurd as an immigrant.  You went through the legal process, and you got the benefits of that, which includes the ability to get the benefits of citizenship.  You think the people who come here without that protection and could be shipped away at any time got the better deal?  Bizarre.[/quote]

Because you want to give out that protection.[/quote]

Where did I say that?

People with legal status have legal protections.  People without legal status do not.  Employers take advantage of this fact, which is why the government either uses illegal immigrants for propaganda or does nothing about them.  And then dumbasses fall for the bait.[/quote]

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