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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is the kind of thing you resort to when you can't do math. Trump claims that Chicago is the "murder capital of the world." He also referenced 50 people being murdered recently, but he's likely incorrectly describing a recent weekend when 8 people were killed and 50 were wounded. Yes, Chicago did have 573 murders in 2024 and that's a horrible thing. But it also has a population of 2.7 million people - and any time you gather that many people in a single jurisdiction numbers get higher. Birmingham, Alabama had 153 murders last year with a population of only 200k. Scale that up to Chicago's size and we're talking more than 2000 murders. I would much rather visit Chicago than Birmingham - but the Dem governor of Illinois makes a much better foil than the GOP governor of Alabama.[/quote]

LOL. If you are having to explain why 8 murders in a weekend is no big deal or comparatively better by comparing a purported world class city to  Birmingham, you have already lost the argument. Kinda like that ABC News lady fact checking Vance over the fact that it was just a few apartment complexes in Colorado controlled by Latin American drug gangs, not all of them.

The response should be really, really simple:  “8 murders in a weekend is too many and we welcome a cooperative relationship with the federal government to bring down violent crime.”  Instead you guys are minimizing (“do the math”) what every reasonable person can see is a big problem because . . . Trump. [/quote]

no one is saying 8 murders in a weekend is acceptable, but the fact is, you are more likely to be impacted by violent crime in Birmingham than Chicago. Hence PER CAPITA. There are more PEOPLE in Chicago than Birmingham, so the raw number of incidents will be higher, but the RATE if crime is higher in Birmingam. If the GOP were really wanting to do something about gun violence, they would do something about guns, alas.[/quote]

And just a few Colorado apartment complexes were controlled by Latin American drug gangs, not all of them...

If the answer is that Trump’s surges are wrong or to be rejected because crime is worse elsewhere then you are going to get tagged with the ulterior motive of being soft on crime. And, for what it’s worth, many of the people impacted by crime in places like Chicago will welcome a reduction in crime, even if crime is, in fact, worse elsewhere.

This is purely an optics issue and explaining away your nuanced position is terrible optically. [/quote]

If it's going to be the same as DC, then it is purely for optics. The NG didn't go where crime was high. They stayed in the touristy areas. If that's the same in Chicago, what's the point?[/quote]

Then why does it bother you so much?  If they didn't go to where crime is high, then presumably they stayed out of oppressed areas.  The show of force does seem to have reduced violent crime in DC--so much so that the Mayor is expressing gratitude for it.  Would the same thing in Chicago really bug you that much?[/quote]

The mayor is saying one thing while doing another—suing the federal government. Surprised you don’t recognize the tactic. But of course you don’t. She’s playing the game. [/quote]

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