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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hate to interrupt the kvechting, but how about we add some data to this. How many people died of measles in 1960? Pick any other disease you are terrified of and check a year just before the vaccine.

That’s your worst case scenario, which also assumes sanitation, nutrition and medical treatment also rolls back that far.

And lastly, compare those numbers to road deaths.
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I can’t find 1960 but in 1980 worldwide 810,000. In the Americas 7000 and in Europe, 10,000.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-due-to-measles-by-region[/quote]

Chicken pox is easier -- 145 days per year in the years prior to vaccination.  But focusing on deaths is really the wrong number.  Lots of kids who got measles and didn't die were rendered blind, or permanent sterile, or had other serious complications.

I had chicken pox a couple of years before the vaccine.  I missed a month of school and had litterally thousands of chicken pox with lifetime scarring.  Not that huge a deal, but it could have been worse -- I had multiple days with my temperature at or over 104 even with Tylenol.  I barely remember those days as I was in and out of consciousness but remember the ice baths and the fact that I wasn't really allowed to eat (even if I could) because food would raise my body temperature.  (Starve a fever.)  I was really lucky not to have febrile seizures or any brain damage.  My mother was a nurse so was pretty on top of it.  I also infected at least a dozen people during the 1 hour I was at school before they sent me home -- including someone whose father was immunocompromised and also got sick.  I got it from a preschooler who was basically asymptomatic -- he had like 2 pox marks and was running and playing, so that could totally be a kid at school, at Disney, at the playground or mall or whatever.  [/quote]

And measles was 450. The point being the numbers are so small that many vaccines may not even produce a net positive. You can’t just pretend there is no risk in vaccines either. So they rarely net out. It’s why no one wants to be fiscally responsible for them.[/quote]

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