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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]MAGA stole the term and uses it negatively. Do they even know what it really means? It is simply someone who is informed, educated and conscious of social injustice, prejudice, oppression and inequality. So they dont want to be informed and educated? We are evil and wrong to be informed and educated about society? We let MAGA steal this word and use it negatively just like we let them steal the American flag as if it only represents them. [/quote]

Within the discipline of linguistics, there’s a longstanding and fundamental disagreement between so-called descriptivists and so-called prescriptivists. Descriptivists (tend to dominate academia) believe that language is how you use it; if the Latin fabulare evolves into Spanish hablar, so be it and that’s the order of things. Prescriptivists (who tend to dominate academia, say, professional editing and publishing) believe that there are “proper” standards that are rooted in some exogenous source of authority that determine what is right.

The take in this thread is a dumb melange of the two. It presupposes that the ungrammatical use of a transitive verb’s simple past form (wake —&gt; woke) may be permissibly substituted in place of a similar intransitive verb’s past passive participle (awake —&gt; awakened) when employed in the context of social commentary but that that same word may not permissibly carry a connotation ascribed to it by its skeptics. This is a “heads-I-win, tails-you-lose” argument manufactured to impose a progressive orthodoxy on a narrow slice of linguistics.

Surely those who welcome thoughtful critiques of power structures will recognize I am right![/quote]

It is easier to complain about MAGA use of woke than to admit that wokism was and is a tool of the elites used to strip power, including the most basic power of language, from the lower classes. It is and always was a movement designed to keep power centralized and to keep the working classes from unifying. [/quote]

Personally, I think elites’ arrogation of the right to revise rules of language is one of the more effective strategies they’ve pursued when you layer on the ease of gaslighting people who notice (“lol, triggered by pronouns much?”, “lol, yeah, it’s a real *war* on Christmas, okay bub”, “the word ‘partner’ is simply more inclusive, not a big deal”)[/quote]

PP here and I agree. The use of woke to police language was and is an extremely effective strategy the elite used and still use to continue their repression of the working classes. Part of the anger and bewilderment from people like OP is that there has been a small reclamation of language from the wealthy elites. OP is angry that her linguistic tool of oppression is slightly less effective than it used to be. [/quote]

Spot on[/quote]

Genuinely asking - how does being aware of offensive, racist, misogynistic, homophobic language repress the working class? [/quote]

That’s actually not the language being policed. It’s words like “she” and “husband.” If it were offensive, racist, etc. stuff, no one would care [/quote]

I'm 60 years old and have lived in blue cities my whole life and have never once been policed for using "she" or "husband."  For that matter, the only time anyone ever policed me in my language in the last 10 years was getting DM'ed in Teams because I spoke a blunt truth about things like a lack of sound technical strategy in the presence of senior management, but I was later apologized to for it because management appreciated my candor and honesty.  And that includes a career of 25 years in the private sector and 15 years in government.  And I'm one who is never shy to speak my mind and call things out when I think there's a problem

Some of you are buried far too deep in the rabbit holes of right wing hysteria to know actual reality from what they claim to tell you is reality down there.[/quote]

Sounds like someone is trying to deny our lived experiences. How dare you. [/quote]

LOL I'll take "things that didn't happen" for $600, Alex.

You seem to be confusing made-up comic book stories about being policed and oppressed that you read on right wing message boards with your "lived experiences."[/quote]

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