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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Honestly, I can't stand her. She's always angry and thinks everyone has wronged or slighted her. [/quote]

She definitely has a perspective.  I feel like we need more not fewer strong eccentric women in Hollywood.  So I'm okay with her whether or not I like every little thing she does.[/quote]

I agree with this. I find her generally “a lot” but I respect her non conformity to weight and/or beauty standards, in Hollywood, and agree we need more diversity of thought and experience, not less [/quote]

The hate aimed at any woman who dares not to try to look like a housewife is depressing. [/quote]

The hate directed towards LD isn’t because of her appearance.[/quote]

Oh but it is. It is at least 90% because she doesn’t look Hollywood and doesn’t try to. That really triggers people (of both genders) that she doesn’t hide it. [/quote]

I agree that's an issue for some people, but I think the unease with Lena Durham goes beyond that.  I feel like all of her stuff I like about 50% and hate about 50%.  What is dislike is that she seems like she normalizes female degredation, while proclaiming herself as a radical feminist.  Her characters always let the boyfriends do stuff that is kind of awful to them and often degrading.  (Like the spitting in the mouth thing from this series.)  I understand the value of depicting young women with all their insecurities and flaws, but for me, her characters just often seem to be lacking fundamental self-respect and have a vein of self-hate, even as they proclaim that they are so independent-minded.  On Girls, I really hated the relationship between her character and Adam Driver's -- it was so disturbing and I felt that a lot of young female viewers don't have the experience to recognize the level of disfunction in these relationships and to interrogate the superficial feminism that the characters are trumpeting.

I also have a vague dislike of the fact that, at least previously, I think she affirmatively wanted to piss people off.  I get that's part of an artist's role, but you can't seek to piss people off and then get all offended when people dislike you.  I guess it's consistent with my sense of her as someone that's deeply insecure, but doesn't want people to think she's insecure (so projects a "I don't care what people think about me" but then does deeply care when she is criticized).

She strikes me as someone who needs more therapy but is working out her issues on screen -- which I guess is also a time honored tradition for artists -- but I'm concerned about the way that's consumed by younger viewers, her target audience, who may just feel validated in their own disfunction without realizing that they should seek something better for themselves.  Like I am concerned that if my own daugthers watched it, I would want to tell them -- this is not okay, and not in a "it's okay to not be okay" way, more in a "this is not okay and you should remove yourself from this type of situation" way.  [/quote]

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