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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The argument is not and should not be that "Americans won't do these jobs" but that we have inadequate citizen applicants to get the job done when the job is important and needed from generating food to nursing care.[/quote]

From inception, the U.S. was built on free and then underpaid labor. Indentured servants > slaves > sharecroppers/Jim Crow blacks > Irish/Italian/Polish/Chinese immigrants > illegal immigrants from Latin America. Our food and several manufacturing sectors have ALWAYS paid below market-rate wages. [/quote]

OP here. Yes, I read The Jungle. I thought we were supposed to be progressing past that. A lot of people on this thread are fine with those jobs continuing to suck as long as it’s not them who has to do them.[/quote]

My point wasn't to make a value judgment about who should be doing the work, it was to point out that America has quite literally never operated without an exploited underclass. [/quote]

Yeah and it’s been great right? Slave insurrections, a civil war, riots, labor unrest, maintaining a surveillance state, welfare state, etc… Those are some real costs there that end up on taxpayers books.

If employers were bearing those costs directly that exploited underclass doesn’t look like such a good deal anymore.[/quote]

If you go back to the 50s, 60s, and 70s, a single earner could pay a mortgage and put kids through school on manufacturing and what you consider underclass jobs today.

Then, our society had to go to two income households just to get the same effect in the 70s and 80s.

What changed?  Well, we eroded the value of the dollar.  So while you will talk about a "living wage", ask yourself why people can't live on that wage?  It wasn't always like this.

You're getting the cause of the problem wrong. Globalization and just having easy money policies by the government caused this.

And by the way, is every person who is earning big bucks as a project manager, administrator or a "lead" really worth the salary they command? We have a lot of jobs that pay high, but don't add much to the bottom line.[/quote]

DP. The income gap wasn’t as wide today. CEO pay has gone through the roof. It’s as much, if not more, about corporate greed than government policies. But, the government should bill Walmart for every dollar it uses in public assistance. Then, we’d get somewhere. Look at the billionaire class. [/quote]

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