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[quote=Anonymous]I did my graduate work at Berkeley and an undergrad at Harvard.

Both schools have strong students and lots of Nobel laureates. Both schools are very attractive to top scholars, and by poaching established academics, you tend to get strong lecturers. Both use the teaching model of having professors lecture and grad students teach labs and discussion sections.

Berkeley OOS isn't that much cheaper than an Ivy. The main reason for this is the cost of housing. The difficulties with housing  are a major reason to opt for HYP. If your kid has to cram into an off campus apartment, make all of their meals, and take a complicated transit route to school, it can be a major distraction. The difficulty in getting courses, or any other resources, can be substantial. The Nobel laureates at both places have office hours, but the ones at Berkeley have a line outside their offices.

However, Berkeley has the weather (which is a major draw for the top scholars). It also has the openness, lack of conformity, and motivation levels that create innovation. Boston and (pre-Trump) DC are also agglomerations of well educated people that make things happen. Berkeley, however, is probably the most "what the heck, let's give it a try" sort of place.[/quote]

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