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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yes absolutely. For every million in income, you save an average of 66k. You don't have to be a billionaire for this to be significant cost savings.

Every single tax bracket is getting tax relief. And unless you're a non-working adult on medicaid without a legit reason like illness or dependent care, the health aspects won't affect you. And if you are lounging around without a job and getting medicaid, you just get a job like everyone else. It only requires 20 hours of work per week- most people double that. So I don't see the problem. [/quote]

That concept about lounging around and getting medicaid is so WEIRD, as if medicaid is something you can trade to someone on a street corner outside a bodega for cash to buy drugs or whatever. Also, if you look at the math, it's unlikely there are enough fully able bodied and work capable people getting medicaid to be kicked off to account for the dollars they are cutting. By your own argument, they would be presumptively health enough to not require much in the way of medical care.

Some of these cuts have to do with keeping the medical system functioning, period. For example, Medicaid partially reimburses providers for bad medical debt accrued by dual Medicare/Medicaid patients who by definition  are elderly or disabled, and poor. This is debt that is written off by providers as uncollectible, and the provider has to prove that all available means were taken to collect that debt. The reimbursement rate is 65% and helps keep providers in low income areas especially afloat. The program doesn't go away, it becomes much more restrictive and the reimbursement as little as 25%. Keep in mind that's 25% of unpaid charges that are already lower than what most private insurance covers or the "book price" cost of care.

The savings the GOP trumpets do not tell the whole story by any means, and those savings don't come close to covering the 800B cut. They are buried in changes to Social Security laws (which is where Medicaid, for example, is located in the US Code) and all you see in the legislation is "amendment" to some statute, section, line, and would have to spent a year trying to figure out what it actually means in the real world. You have to go to places like kff.org or other places to get information from the experts who have actually dug through this bill and know what it talks about. GOP legislators certainly did not do that. [/quote]

You need to pick an argument, because you cant have both. You cant both argue that there aren't enough people on medicaid AND that this will cast millions of people into medical poverty. It either has wide reaching effects or it doesn't.

They are mitigating the impact to providers with alternative payments.

Most of the savings come from cutting green energy subsidies anyway. [/quote]

There will be working people who will lose Medicaid because of the onerous requirement to verify their employment every 6 months.  There will be working people on Obamacare who will lose health care because of the onerous requirement to re-enroll annually (and pay the subsidy themselves), as opposed to automatic renewal (they also shortened the enrollment timeframe).  That is the trick the GOP is relying on — putting obstacles in place so that people will lose what they have.[/quote]

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