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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yes, I'm aware I'm arguing with multiple people, I just got mixed up about which one :-)

I can say with a great deal of both real-world and online experience that being the one person making the opposite argument in a room full of people who feel a certain way is a *tremendously* high-leverage proposition, which is probably why conservatives do it so much. You're never going to change the mind of the people arguing with you, and your arguments don't honestly even really matter that much; the important thing is having that perspective aired everywhere, so that other people see it as within the bounds of reasonable discourse.

So being the *one* outspoken Mamdani fan in a forum full of conservative private school parents (conservative enough even that it's constantly dumping on schools like Dalton and Fieldston for being too 'woke' despite being full of rich white people and costing $65,000/year to attend) is well worth the effort.

And yes, Koch was vastly better than Bloomberg. Mamdani has plans to play for his policies, and they are, again, on his website, which was, again, written by humans; you just don't care to read them.

But as long as we're talking about fiscal responsibility, here's an article from the conservative-leaning Vital City arguing that both Mamdani *and* Cuomo are making unrealistic budget proposals:

https://www.vitalcitynyc.org/articles/zohran-mamdani-and-andrew-cuomo-arent-as-different-as-you-might-think

On Cuomo:

[quote]"Unfortunately, he’s running a campaign made up of costly and clumsily cobbled-together promises to unions and other constituencies.

For example, he has reversed himself on the wisdom of Tier 6 pension reforms, the slightly-less-generous retirement benefits for public employees passed in 2012 with his support, which are saving city government hundreds of millions of dollars annually. Did Cuomo’s principles change or is he just bending to win union and retiree support?

The need for comprehensive property tax reform has been widely acknowledged across the political spectrum — because the current system is impossible to understand and horribly unfair to all types of residents. Cuomo, who understands this well, wants to cap property tax increases just for the city’s one-to-three-family homes, a patently political play that will make it harder, not easier, to solve the bigger problem, which calls for some sort of grand bargain. Again, the former governor knows exactly what he’s doing: This is an expensive pander, not an answer."[/quote]

Much like NYT, they seem to like Lander better than either of them: "but overall, his detailed taxing and spending proposals make a better-faith effort not to commit hundreds of millions we don’t have."

I don't expect to persuade anybody actually *posting* here to vote for Mamdani (though I do imagine I might catch a few others), but I'm hoping you might at least reconsider your insistence that Lander is also off limits; again, you can rank him ahead of Cuomo if you're committed to the proposition that Cuomo is a reasonable price to pay to stop Mamdani, or you can follow through on your assertion that they're both terrible, not rank either, and if Lander doesn't win then at least you're absolved of blame for whoever does.[/quote]

You lost me at "conservative." I think most of the people opposing you have made it clear that they are lifelong Democrats and anti-Trump. So that puts them well to the left of more than half of America. There are so many people who live in the super liberal bubble of NYC and never leave it. And these people constantly call their moderate Democrat neighbors conservative, or worse yet accuse them of being like Trump. This is mean and rude and incredibly simplistic.

And this is why we can't support someone like Mamdani. There is no willingness to compromise. So much virtue signaling. I will take Mamdani every day of the week over Trump and MAGA. Because as much as I disagree with him on so much, I truly respect that his heart is in the right place. But he just throws out these super progressive ideas without thinking of the consequences of them. Running a big city is all about tradeoffs and compromise. Cuomo admittedly has some issues with this as well. But he has been there before so gets the joke more.

And yes, Dalton and Fieldston are extremely woke. The issue is that they are full of rich white people with white guilt complexes who are going overboard in trying to manage those. They have been obsessed with DEI. A good friend was considering transferring their public school child to Fieldston a few years ago and the vast majority of the zoom info session was about their commitment to DEI, DEI initiatives, diversity, etc. Almost nothing about curriculum, extra-curriculars, teaching style, etc. It was overboard. I am strongly supportive of diversity (which is why my kids are in public schools) but there is a limit.

I think Lander could be tolerable. I wish he hadn't aligned with Mamdani as it is a bad sign. I think there are a lot of people who will have a ballot in some order of Cuomo, Tilson, Stringer, Myrie and Ramos. And for those who can't stomach Cuomo (which I can fully understand), they might slide in Lander.[/quote]

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