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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think it comes down to 2 questions. And whether you are coming at these questions based on principle or pragmatism.

Is health care a right that we get for paying taxes?

That is what countries with nationalized healthcare believe - uk, Taiwan, s Korea, Japan, Sweden, etc.

If you don’t believe it’s a right, then to what extent should we provide Medicaid and Medicare to benefit us as a whole? We have Medicaid and Medicare because it might be cheaper to provide healthcare for 80 million people rather than have to pay for the fallout of not providing it. If we don’t provide healthcare, we have fewer people who can work, more homeless, more chronic illness, shorter lifespans, more maternal and infant mortality, more medical debt, fewer home purchases, fewer car purchases, fewer services hired, more uncertainty, and less income. It would decrease our gdp significantly.

Is the system deeply flawed? Yes. As an md who worked a majority of the time in county hospitals, it’s totally f’d up. We would fantasize about working at Kaiser or someplace where we didn’t have to deal with all the Medicaid bs. But the horse is out of the barn. Aside from the philosophical question of “why are we paying for so many people’s healthcare”, rescinding healthcare to millions of Americans is going to do a lot of harm. Some of them are grifters. Some of them have expensive medical needs that, to be brutally honest, are probably not worth it. But there are enough people who need this coverage to continue contributing to society economically. [/quote]

This doesn’t answer the question of how you pay for it. We can not afford to continue along the path we are on. [/quote]

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