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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.[/quote]

Yeah that’s what I was going to say. Obesity is a huge factor of most chronic health issues. WE as a society pay for that when their care drives up healthcare costs for all. [/quote]

I feel that way about smoking and vaping. And unlike consumption of food, it’s not necessary. But if we cared about health care costs we’d ban all this and extreme processed foods. It’s easier to blame individuals than take meaningful action so there is no need for “discipline” (which is bullshit as we are not all equal when it comes to addiction)[/quote]

I’m 50 and so obviously I have seen attitudes towards smoking change since I was a kid. Even when smoking was commonplace, I don’t recall people blaming society or structures for smoking. Was that happening?[/quote]

Then you don't understand what happened with smoking. The shift against smoking was driven by government action -- municipalities banning smoking, state AGs filing lawsuits against cigarette manufacturers for lying to the public about the addictive qualities of cigarettes and the impacts on health. Federal and state health agencies also launched campaigns to educate the public on the dangers if smoking, and the marketing of cigarettes was heavily regulated to force companies to disclose the risks and to eliminate advertising that targeted children.

The shift away from smoking was almost entirely due to societal factors, not individuals taking personal responsibility and changing behavior.[/quote]

What you have described is deceptive advertising. Are you telling me that people are deceived today about the food and movement?[/quote]

Come on, we all grew up being told we should eat a ton of carbs and that fat was our worst enemy. We are surrounded by ultra processed foods marketed as "healthy". Of course there is deceptive advertising. [/quote]

So the US is fat because they were perceptive enough to be paying attention but stopped around the year 2000?

The problems with consuming processed carbohydrates is exceptionally well known and expressed everywhere. It’s all over media. The pamphlet at every GP physical says it in bold letters and I am confident your GP and every other one on the planet repeats that line - even with their sometimes poor understanding of nutrition.

It’s not a grand conspiracy. People don’t care and don’t want to put in the effort if they are privileged enough to avoid it. Preferring instead to dose themselves all day. Others are in a financial or socioeconomic circumstance that fights against them - that’s not the DCUM demographic for the majority of participants here. [/quote]

Whoosh[/quote]

The response that we grew up thinking it was good to eat ultra processed food is both incorrect and dumb. How many decades have we known to eat fruits and vegetables and lean protein? Is any doctor who has counseled otherwise in decades? What is the deception today? I understand the convience issue in the U.S. in 2025. But deception?[/quote]

Ads. Ads are deception. They hire some celebrity (or worse, an "influencer") to hawk their processed shite so people think you can consume processed foods and still look like the spokespeople do. And you can't. Those people have a trainers and dieticians and orthorexic meal plans and ridiculous exercise schedules.

Also, "processed food" used to mean corn flakes (originally made only of lightly fermented corn, according to the patent: https://www.tastinghistory.com/recipes/cornflakes), not corn flakes as we know them now (now made of: Milled corn, sugar, malt flavor, 2% or less of salt, Iron (ferric phosphate), niacinamide, vitamin B6 (pyridoxine hydrochloride), vitamin B2 (riboflavin), vitamin B1 (thiamin hydrochloride), folic acid, vitamin D3, vitamin B12 according to https://smartlabel.wkkellogg.com/Product/Index?gtin=00038000001208#ingredients)

There's rBST in your milk, there's antibiotics in all the meats you eat, there's cow crap on all your salad greens... You say "eat fruits and vegetables and lean proteins" like those aren't subject to nutritional alterations, but they all are. Antibiotics cause massive inflammatory responses in the gut, which can lead to depression, which can lead to weight gain (especially if meds are used to compensate).

There's literally no way to "put in the effort" to get around these things. The "effort" a lot of hangry jerks on this board are putting in seems to be obsessively counting calories and working out and going hungry. As a formerly anorexic person, let me assure you this WILL catch up with you someday (or you'll die from your disordered eating, which is the flip side of this "obesity" argument).

The deception is that people believe "calories in, calories out" is some kind of magical math that is the end all be all of the weight management dilemma when there is WAY more nuance to this conversation than fatshaming and a cutesy slogan will allow.[/quote]

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