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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Note that a quick search reveals that the Harvard class of 1995 (parents of current applicants) was over 1/3 minorities, and it only went up from there. So for all the complaining about the downfall of affirmative action, these groups are increasingly benefitting from legacy admissions.[/quote]

Yes, this is the ironic part of trying to ban legacy now. It will actually make schools more diverse (in comparison to banning it) now that affirmative action is gone. These previous classes were created with affirmative action so many minorities are benefiting from legacy admission. I think its also unfortunate that states are banning it now that more URMs are actually benefiting from it.[/quote]

There is no evidence that legacy preferences will make schools more diverse. It's basically affirmative action for white people.

For Harvard: A 2019 paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research found that “Over 43 percent of white admits are ALDC” — athletes, legacies, “dean’s interest” and children of faculty and staff — “compared to less than 16 percent of admits for each of the other three major racial/ethnic groups” and that around three-quarters of them would not have been admitted otherwise.

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w26316/w26316.pdf[/quote]

Don't bring that thing again, it doesn't say what you think that it says.

David Card shredded Peter Arcidicano's work in that case and Harvard [b]WON[/b] the discrimination case (the battle) while they effectively (along with UNC and everyone else) the war because SFFA was able to use the case to get in front of the Supreme Court and make an Equal Protection Clause argument which was successful and their actual goal.[/quote]

Oh--so do share your better quality studies that show that legacy preferences benefit non-whites more than whites?
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I never said that but you cited the work of a paper that didn't work out so well because Arcidicano's work only gave the "right" answer if the model left out the personal factor which it did saying they it was a biased factor. Legacy benefits whites more because they are the largest proportion of the legacy pool, not because they are white. The proportion is dropping but the benefits will still favor whites by numbers until the proportion of whites at a school drops below 50% and then this change persists for a long enough period of time that there is a group of legacies which aren't majority white whose children are applying to a school. The benefits of a legacy tag are pretty equal for anyone who is a legacy regardless of race and actually on an individual level may disproportionaltely benefit Asian legacy applicants because they are the group that had the largest increase in admittance benefit for any single factor which was the personal rating.[/quote]

So non-white applicants today should be "understanding" of an unfair admissions advantage for whites simply because of historical reasons?  Many white people were not particularly sympathetic to affirmative action that was designed to address historical inequities and injustices, yet many white people are happy to defend their own privilege and tell non-whites to wait a few decades so they too can have an unfair advantage over an equivalent applicant.[/quote]

I did not say or imply anything of the sort. I just pointed out that legacy benefits were actually race neutral on their benefits within the legacy pool and pointed out that within that pool they might actually give Asian applicants a slightly higher boot than that received by others within that pool. Personally I think that the ultimate result of SFFA v Harvard was unfortunate; I am not in favor of eliminating affirmative action but rather reforming it to eliminate its benefit for High SES candidates of any race.

I get tired of people dragging out and citing the Arcidicano paper because it is crap. It was designed to achieve specific result and the only way that they could achieve that result was by dropping a real factor in Harvards admissions rubric (personal). David Card's rebuttal did a very thorough job of dismantling Arcidicano's work.[/quote]

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