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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]More people should be failed out of high school and directed somewhere else. As someone not born in the US, calculus being treated as some ridiculously insane requirement for 17 year olds is a really embarrassing reflection of this country. Sports are treated more seriously than education in the US[/quote]

Do all 17 yr olds in your country go to HS? In many countries, free schooling ends around age 13. HS is only for the top students.[/quote]
My home country is like that, and it makes sense. I don’t really think you need to continue school if you don’t care about it nor find it tedious as many in this thread seem to. Plus, it’s not like it bars you from college. You still get a diploma and can go to university![/quote]

So, you're not from the U.S.?  Many kids have no idea what they want to do at the age of 13.  It's ridiculously short-sighted to group kids into two separate tracks at that age and I'm very glad we don't do that here.  High school education is for [b]everyone[/b].  The decision to go on to college or not is one that can be made after earning a high school degree.

And no one on this thread has said or even implied that school is "tedious."  On the contrary, many of us advocating the humanities *love* school.  You seem to think that only STEM has value.[/quote]
So because I’m an immigrant, you’re just going to assume that my country doesn’t have the same kind of kids as yours with the same obliviousness? It’s the unwillingness to educate yourself and thoughtfully engage with ideas when your system clearly doesn’t work that blows my mind every time. Also, I’m a parent. I have high school and colleged age children. It’s not like I’m in this forum for nothing.[/quote]

What??  Nothing you're saying makes sense.  Also, since you're so critical of our education system here in the U.S., tell us what country you're from so we can critique it too.[/quote]
Nothing I’m saying makes sense? Are you kidding?

1) you assert that in America has such system, because kids at 13 don’t know what they want to do- something that is true of all 13 year olds in the world. 
2) you assert that America has such system because people can’t know that they want to go to college immediately after high school. Luckily, most western nations also work towards this issue
3) you assert that I only believe stem has value. No where have I said that. I do think students are underprepared in stem, which is corroborated by American institutions having retention issues across the country.

My home country is Germany. It doesn’t just kick you out of school at 13. If you look beyond the surface, you’ll discover it is a developed nation that addresses all your concerns while also tracking talent to improve our education system. Educating for the bottom doesn’t work and is endemic across the US. [/quote]

PP, I’m 20:43 poster. Coincidentally, I spent a year at a German Uni doing Master’s level research in political science and I also was an exchange student in high school. The German and French systems are exactly what I think of when proposing improvements for the U.S. system. [/quote]

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