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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Small schools like Vienna elementary have around 50 kids in second, so that would be top 5. Its not per class but per grade. I also think there can be multiple kids with the same score making the top 10% greater than actually 10% of the class.

Then there are large schools that have 200+ kids making the pool larger.

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It still speaks to how skewed the FFX area is, if the majority of the top 10 percent of a grade are actually falling within top 2-3 percent or higher, nationally, such that a school cutoff just to be "in pool" is above the 97th (130) or 98th (133-134). [/quote]
The CogAT national percentiles are based on kids who didn't prep.  FCPS isn't that much more gifted than anywhere else.  A lot of FCPS people prep, which boosts the scores enough to skew them.  This actually happens in every major city with this type of gifted program.  Suddenly, an overabundance of kids are in the national top 2% on whatever easily prepped standardized test is being used.  [/quote]

DC is a major metropolitan area and families move to Nova for their schools. We live in a high SES area and our school is filled with well educated parents from Harvard, Princeton, UPenn, UVA, etc. The offspring of these engineers, lawyers and doctors will also test well like their parents. MCPS, FCPS, LCPS, Arlington all have concentrations of well educated people. These are not the same as any normal area. [/quote]

I see where you’re going with this… but it makes it seem like testing well is genetic. Just gives an icky feeling. [/quote]

Smart parents have smart kids. It is genetic.[/quote]

Yeah. That’s the ick. [/quote]

But it's science. Just like children get their eye and hair color from their parents.[/quote]

Mmm… Hair and eye color can be pinned down to specific genes - as in scientists can point to specific places on the chromosomes that control those traits. Height, too - though even that is a combination of several different things.

There are plenty of highly educated and achieving parents whose children get dealt the harder hand of a learning deficit. Or parents who don’t recognize the gifts of their high potential child.

The ick comes from the feeling of birthright parents have when it comes to their kids’ ability. Wanting everything and believing the best in your kid - 1,000%. But when you present a zip code and expect that that zip code doesn’t follow the same standard deviation rules as your zip code because that zip code is less educated is flawed. That’s all. [/quote]

We moved from a high farms area to one of the wealthiest areas and the student population could not be any more different. The old school had a few gifted kids but the peer group just wasn’t there. One of the kids ran circles around my kid at age 5-6. He supposedly doesn’t test well despite seeming really bright. Home was a mess. Parents divorced. He did not have a stable home, always getting into fights, not listening to teachers, into girls at a young age. I’m sure if his parents did puzzles, took him to the library and he tried harder in school, he could have tested better and gotten into AAP. That same kid in our new neighborhood would likely be playing chess, playing lacrosse, skiing, getting math enrichment, playing piano and saxophone, debate and excelling. The kid who was so athletic and so smart who taught himself to read at age 4 is such a waste. I know his mom is suffering from mental illness and verge of homelessness.

The kid who lives in McLean, Oakton or Vienna whose two stable well educated parents enrich them by taking them to museums, buys all sorts of educational puzzles and toys, does not allow screen time or phones and buys a cogat book and does a few practice tests is going to do better. The bar at that school will be higher. The scores will be higher.
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That kid, the kid who ran circles around your kid whose mom is on the verge of homelessness. That kid is the kid who needs a gifted program. That doesn’t mean that your kid or a kid from a stable home who does puzzles doesn’t too. [/quote]

He needs better parents.  A gifted program without any homer support is not great.
For example, Stuyvesant has a lot of poor kids from poor families and you see large disparities between smart kids with stable homes and smart kids with unstable homes.

[quote]There should be room for all who need it. And there isn’t. The bar should be high for all. And it’s not. But no one is born with it because their parents are smart. That’s the fault. There’s just way WAY more that goes into it. People are more than the sum of their parts. I’d like to think that because I did xyz my kid deserves something. It’s just not true.

I don’t agree with half of what FCPS says (or says they say…). But I don’t think for one second that my kid deserves anything more because I did something right or through good breeding (hello eugenics, ick). Anymore than when my kid makes a mistake or doesn’t get a ‘good ‘ test score it’s because I did something inherently wrong or didn’t take them skiing.
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They deserve it if they can make the cut.  But there shouldn't be a significantly different cut for your kid than my kid.  If your kid is ready for calculus, then teach them callculus.  If my kid is ready for geometry, you aren't doing him any favors by rushing him up to calculus.[/quote]

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