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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Again, show me the evidence of where men are having trouble gaining admission to college. Does it actually exist? Is there evidence that men are applying to college and being shut out and therefore being excluded from getting college degrees?

Or are we talking about an increasing trend of men opting out of college for a variety of reasons, and men dropping out at higher rates than women.

If this is a choice men are making then you can't blame the education system or how SATs are scored or programs that are designed to recruit women into STEM. Unless you can actually show evidence that men are being shut out of college, this is about male preference, not discrimination.[/quote]

Education is a funnel.

And over the past decade or two, the funnel has been designed to funnel away boys, starting in kindergarten.

Try to find a stem enrichment opportunity explicitly for young men. You can't.  There are zero.

Then look for one for young women.  There are dozens upon dozens.

That is just one example among many.[/quote]

You are missing the cause. These areas are historically stereotypically male. The stem enrichment opportunities for men are not needed. STEM field isn’t pushing away men. These programs encourage women to get involved, bridge the gap for potential, and provide a support system.

Similarly, for URM. Your argument is like these STEM enrichment opportunities explicitly for URM are pushing away ”majority” students. they are not. They encourage URM to apply, help bridge the gap for potential, and provide a support system.

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However, I am not aware of anything offered for males in stereotypically female courses of study.  Can you name a humanities-focused organization that exists primarily to get men interested in the humanities?[/quote]

NP. Can you name a humanities-focused organization that exists to get anyone interested in the humanities?

If boys are so incapable of succeeding in a feminized education system, why would anyone think they’d want to pursue stereotypical female courses of study?

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That's a different point.  My only point was there are many initiatives and organizations starting as early as elementary/middle school specifically trying to get women and URMs interested in STEM where they are under-represented.

I am not aware of anything that exists for the reverse...an organization specifically that exists to encourage men to pursue humanities interests where they are under-represented.  There are ECs/Clubs like National History Day and Model UN which are easily 75%+ female.

You are almost making a similar point...if women aren't interested in STEM (as others have mentioned, outnumbered 9-1 in many STEM majors), then why are resources being invested to try to change this yet not for men in the humanities.[/quote]

Because STEM jobs outpay humanities jobs by a huge factor, so it’s not fair to shut girls out of the STEM pipeline from an early age.

And I’m all for a push to get boys into humanities! I have a high schooler in a visual arts program that is almost entirely female, and I’m sure they would all love to see it more balanced by gender. But boys don’t seem to be interested. Despite the fact that 87% of works in major museums in the U.S. are by men.[/quote]

You can't argue once more for specific STEM programs for girls...but then in the same breadth say there is no point in humanities programs specifically for boys because "they don't seem interested".  Maybe they would be more interested if they also had a myriad of programs for them. [/quote]

Again, I said I was all for a push to get boys interested in the humanities. And teaching! And nursing! Let’s do it! [/quote]

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