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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing. [/quote]

A healthy and strong GOP Party will lead to a more healthy and stronger Dem Party and we all would benefit if our two major parties were functioning like they were back when our choices for POTUS were people like GHWB and Clinton [b]and Congress was able to put their partisan squabbles aside long enough to function adequately .[/b] As it is, there is no equating the two major parties during the Trump era but the Dem Party establishment has shot themselves in the foot over and over by trying to manipulate things to where they are assured of nominating a candidate that the base and donors approve of so not to rock the boat while at the same time being just good enough to beat Trump. Just good enough to beat the most awful candidate in American history is not good enough.

For the GOP it's much simpler. They went from a solid history of nominating decent and well qualified people 95% of the country could respect even if they disagreed with policy to nominating Trump for three consecutive elections. How do you go from Reagan, the Bushs, Dole, McCain, and Romney to three consecutive nominations of Trump? It's not the same party it used to be but it's still feasible for the sensible majority in the party to return back to party of Lincoln, Teddy R, Eisenhower, and Reagan after Trump is dead or incapacitated.[/quote]

The congress was functioning fine until Newt started the process of total obstinance and government shutdowns rather than compromise.

Again, don't blame the democrats for this. The Dems have never supported government shutdowns.[/quote]

Not equating the two "sides" but your fooling yourself if you think it's one party that is responsible for all the political games that lead to a poorly functioning government. Newt's cut throat political style was a game changer and that movement along with social media and cable news exploding led to division in politics like we've never seen before. [/quote]

What did the democrats do to change rules that lead us to where we are (and don't ascribe changing the filibuster that Reid did because McConnnell refused to allow Obama appointments through to the point the Chief Justice had to beg the Senate to change to rules before the judicial branch collapsed)[/quote]

You want the right wing (but Never Trumper) case for what the D's did to get us here? No one better than Jonah Goldberg: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/democrats-and-republicans-weaponizing-democratic-norms/

[quote]For Obama, and for millions of liberals, Trump is the fruition of years of right-wing perfidy. Obama has more of a point than many of my colleagues on the right care to admit.

For instance, I never subscribed to the “birther” conspiracy theory that Trump exploited to such effect, but I failed to appreciate the damage being done by letting it fester.

But Obama also has a massive blind spot that many on the left share. The tit-for-tat dynamic of norm-breaking goes back decades, and Obama has played his part.

When running for president in 2008 and 2012, Obama let his lieutenants demonize John McCain and Mitt Romney as racists.

In office, Obama violated not just democratic norms but also his constitutional oath by effectively granting amnesty to millions of immigrants living in the country illegally despite having insisted that he did not have the power to do so.

And although Obama was passionate in criticizing Trump’s attacks on the news media, his administration was far from pure in this regard.

On both sides, our democratic norms aren’t being destroyed so much as turned into cudgels. It’s as if a rage virus from a sci-fi movie has broken out and people are grabbing anything — staplers, coffee mugs, chairs — that can be used as a weapon.

What’s being weaponized in the current crisis are the tools that leaders are normally entrusted to protect: the rules, informal and formal, that should bind everyone. Partisans are breaking them over their knees like pool cues, ever confident that someone else started it.[/quote]

By "no one better" I mean "If you think his argument is bunk, you'll think [b]any[/b] argument is bunk."

I'm pretty sure he or David French made a similar argument, with more detail, somewhere in The Dispatch but I can't find it and it's probably paywalled.[/quote]

What I'm getting from this is that these people think Democrats have to be perfect while allowing Republicans to run rampant, because otherwise Republicans will get even worse.[/quote]

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