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I would say that finishing 5th place at the 2023 18 Open Nationals (which is the all time CHRVA Record) with only 1 Power 4 player on the roster would be considered doing more with less, especially considering Metro's team that season had 7+ P4 commitments (and most of the teams with open bids in the 18 open field have upwards of 5+ Power 4 players). That team also had a 5'6" MB and a 5'7" OH. I'd also consider that doing more with less.
I assume that it's the same poster that continually cherry picks that result from 2 seasons ago to claim some sort of superiority over Metro.  Congrats on the great result. How'd last year's Paramount 18s finish at USAV Nationals?

It's still insulting to call Paramount athletes "less" than those at other clubs.

A feat of success from two years ago that Metro in 25 years has never accomplished (even though the esteemed Club Director of Metro has been coaching 18s for the last 15 years for the club). Metro families and players will always make excuses[/quote]

Its crazy to see these clubs and their parents fighting over who the best 18 team is. For both 18s teams last year, less than half of their players played with their club for more than 1 year.  A number of those new players came into the team as starters, displacing returning players. So at the 18s age group at least its largely pointless to argue about who the best club is. Both Metro and Paramount's primary development and recruiting pipeline for their older teams is now to obtain players from other clubs.

The 2023 Paramount 18s had a great season and ended with a great accomplishment, no one can argue that.  But even that team which Paramount and families hype up all the time as the example of Paramount's incredible success had less than half of the players playing with them at U16s.  There were just 3 players out of 15 on the Paramount 18s from that year that played on Paramount's U15 back in 2020.  BTW, Metro's #s aren't much different for their 18s teams from 2023 and earlier.

BTW, Paramount's 18s this year will have a lot of turnover with so many players leaving the 17s during the season last year. They've been recruiting incredibly hard trying to get players to switch clubs.[/quote]
I agree, there is no need to brag about the best 18s team, the same way as there is no need to brag about the best [insert age group here] team. At the same time, there is no need to always point out that half of the team came from other clubs. The players decide where they want to play each season based on their own circumstances. If they make the team they want, that's their team and they are on that club's roster. Each club needs to figure out how to keep their talent from moving on to other clubs. In my books, the best team is the one that comes on top in AES systems. The club where the second team came from didn't do more with less. We are talking about very talented athletes and it's hard to predict how the game will go when they face each other. I have a lot of respect for both Metro and Paramount players: we lost every time we played against them, but they know how to win with grace. (Apologies for the double post - I screwed up my previous post)[/quote]
I agree with almost all of this. On the issue of players moving between clubs, I understood the PP's reason for raising that issue was to point out that the most successful team in Paramount's history was made up of athletes who received the majority of their training at other clubs, which is counter to the assertion that is made all the time on these forums that Paramount's success is due only to their superior training, and not the talented athletes they are able to recruit or the skills these athletes develop at other clubs prior to joining Paramount. But I very much agree with the idea that every season is a new season and players decide where they want to play among the options available to them. Moving between clubs is natural and to be expected, and the ability of a club to attract and retain the best athletes is a key factor in how successful a club can be.[/quote]

Thanks, you were correct in the point being made. Both Paramount and Metro defenders on this use lots of examples of a teams performance to highlight their clubs success. I wasn't saying the clubs aren't very good or that they don't deserve their success, rather that the success doesn't always (or often) come from their internal development of players over years.  The vast majority of players in CHRVA haven't had the experience of playing in either of these clubs, and its information that most people aren't aware of unless they've actually played for one of them.

I also agree that every season is a new season and that certain clubs have a much better ability to attract the best athletes. I wouldn't agree that they are better at retaining talent.  The numbers don't support that, at least over the last few years.  Whether its by athlete choice or by club choice the turnover at both Paramount and Metro at the older age groups tends to be higher than the other top tier clubs in the region.[/quote]

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