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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]A spinoff of sorts from the chasing merit thread.

https://hls.harvard.edu/jdadmissions/apply-to-harvard-law-school/jdapplicants/hls-profile-and-facts/undergraduate-institutions/

Look at all the schools that are represented in Harvard’s L1 class for 23-24.

Yo[b]u don’t need a highly ranked school to get into an excellent grad program. This isn’t 80% of the class from T50’s. These schools are all over the board in ranking.

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You clearly didn't go there or you would know what is wrong with your post.  There are only 147 undergrad institutions given there.  The entering class of Harvard Law is 560.  The remaining 413 come predominantly from only from the Ivies + Stanford with Harvard undergrads making up about 30% of the entire class (in my year).  So if you really want to go there you go to Harvard undergrad, then Yale, Stanford, etc.  The leftover 147 are the valedictorians or token reps to fill in the rest of the class.[/quote]

Point taken about the class size. But the point still stands (from the misconception on the other thread) that almost all of the class is not from top schools.

And this 147 you speak of - you know it’s[b] only 1 person from each of these schools?[/quote][/b]

Yes, I was one of them. Like you, from an unimpressive SLAC, but no 1 in my class, Rhodes, 4.0, high LSAT, etc.[/quote]

[b]So wait - your rational is because you are the only one that came from your specific school, this must be the case for every other school on the list?  You can’t be serious. [/quote][/b]

That was certainly the case when I attended HLS.  560 in a class.  Most from Harvard and Ivy and Stanford undergrad.  And yes 140 or so valedictorians from SLACs.  I was certainly the only one from mine. My SLAC sent someone to HLS only once every ten years or so.  Maybe 15.[/quote]

DP. My T10 send many to HLS, and many to similar law schools. The bottom of the T14 is considered “mid” from this university. It is just how it is, a pipeline. Undergrad matters. [/quote]

This is a weird WSJ listing, but here are the Top 20 private undergraduate schools and public undergraduate schools that produce law schools grads with the highest median lawyer incomes.

In theory, this reflects both the numbers of kids from these schools attending law school (and likely top law schools) and the jobs they receive after law school.

For private colleges, only Brigham Young is an outlier...the remainder are all the top undergraduate colleges.

Folks...everyone who claims an undergraduate degree doesn't matter...please, find something empirical to back it up.  The problem is it seems impossible.  Even if you look at the number of Fortune 500 CEOs, yes like 80% didn't go to a top 10 school (though like 50% did attend a Top 100)...however, statistically, that still means like 10 schools account for 20% of all Fortune 500 CEOs...which implies that it is a massive benefit to attend one of those Top 10 schools.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/stanford-berkeley-top-colleges-for-high-paying-jobs-in-law-457cc225?mod=ig_collegepay[/quote]

Those 20% of Fortune 500 CEOS that attended a T10 school most likely came from wealthier backgrounds, so the real reason the "succeeded" has to do with their upbringing (they grew up with relatives who are executives and strivers), family money and connections and ability to financially take risks.   Those same people were very likely to go on the same path no matter where they attended undergrad.

Also those who can afford to attend T10 undergrads are the ones who think "oh, I can afford $400K for law school"  The MC/LC student with the same smarts who doesn't think of T10 because it's not affordable is not now thinking "oh, let's spend $400K on law school".  [b]They are going to the best state law school they can get into, and possibly living at home with parents while doing this to minimize debt.  [/b]Doesn't make them any "less smart" Just means they have to worry about finances and that impacts many of their decisions
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Once more…show me any empirical evidence to support this, not just your made up conjecture.

Literally, nothing you wrote above is supported by anything.  You pulled it directly out of your a**.[/quote]

False. The difference between top private law schools and state programs has become negligible. UVA law is now $105,335 instate and is $108,348 OOS. UCLA law is $98,696 instate and $119,000 OOS. Berkeley Law is $100,000 instate and $112,000 OOS.[/quote]

Can you source those numbers? They don’t appear to be within a country mile of reality.[/quote]
Not PP, but it’s right on their website: https://www.law.virginia.edu/financialaid/annual-cost-attendance-budget[/quote]

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