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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm confused. Why would I hope I'm wrong? Because of the thought of an afterlife? The thought of absolutely nothing happening with my soul after I die is very comforting to me. Way more than the thought of going to heaven. So yes, I suppose I hope I'm right.[/quote]

So let me get this straight- you hope that there is no afterlife and therefore no eventual reunion with loved ones who have already died?

You hope that ultimately there is no meaning to life and that good and evil are subjective and up to personal whims?  You “hope” that there is no ultimate justice- that Hitler and Mother Theresa experience the same fate?

Because that’s what you’re saying. [/quote]

I do not think there is anything for any of us after we die.  But I accept that I do not know that for sure.

I would rather that there is no “ultimate justice” if the option is the justice of a God who says it doesn’t matter if you were Hitler or Mother Teresa - just that you believe that a guy that lived 2000 years ago rose from the dead.  Because that means that the universe is controlled by a cosmic bully. [/quote]

OP here. God it’s very clear that there is ultimate justice. That’s the whole point. To hope you’re right as an atheist means you have to be OK with the idea that there is NOT eternal justice and everyone ends up the same, no matter how they lived their life. [/quote]

But the rules for ultimate justice as the Christians see it (even worse how some of the other monotheistic religions see it) is to accept Jesus, which has nothing to do with being a good person.  I would rather by far that everyone ends up the same than the rules being determined by something so arbitrary.  [/quote]

How is it arbitrary when God himself says, “come to me” - or, don’t. Your choice. [/quote]

When did he say that, exactly?  And to whom?
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Jesus says this many times. [b]Matthew 4:19 for example. Come, follow me.[/b] [/quote]

haha, you left out the part of that verse where Jesus says "I'll make you a fisher of people."  In other words, proselytize and try to convert them.  Doesn't sound at all like he was saying "or don't").  :roll:   Try again[/quote]

There are many examples. Matthew 11:28.  John 14:6

Jesus was God himself in the flesh, calling all of us to Him. [/quote]

How do you know this?  How can you determine that it is true and all other bronze age myth books are false?[/quote]

Because Jesus is alive.

Look at it this way. Have you ever heard anyone say, “You know, my life was turned around because of Bronze Age mythology.”  Or, “I have a peace that passes all understanding, thanks to my faith in the gods of the Bronze Age.”[/quote]

[b]That doesn’t answer the question of: how can you determine this particular myth is true? [/b]
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? Myths aren't true.  If they were true, they wouldn't be myths.  [/quote]

You think this is a clever response? It is not.

You really don't understand the question?  Or are you just avoiding a question you have no answer to whatsoever?

I think it is the latter.[/quote]

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