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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I mean, obviously. The test optional thing was a weird experiment and there is no evidence that it accomplished anything useful, and some evidence it was genuinely detrimental. Good riddance.

Being good at taking tests is not the most important thing in life and everyone should remind themselves of that. But it turns out that people who do test well, and are able to get very high scores on college preparedness tests, tend to also do best in college, where they will also be expected to regularly take tests. It's okay that not everyone goes to an Ivy, or becomes a lawyer or doctor or academic or MBA or whatever. It's not the only option in life.[/quote]

Just realize that Harvard isn't going to accept your kids with a 1580 over one with a 1500 based on the SAT alone.  They will consider them "the same"/made the cut, and then look at everything else.  I don't think requiring tests will have the effect most "high stats" parents want.  
Fact is T20 schools only want to see your kid meet a baseline for the testing, then they still want to look at everything else.  A 1600 doesn't differentiate your kid from a 1520 kid really. 
These schools will still be highly rejective. 
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I think everyone knows this. What they object to is a 1300 SAT kid who hides that score, goes TO and gets in on some 'woke' quota. Hopefully this fixes that![/quote]

Then those (like you) who are so upset about TO must be smart enough to realize that this means only a few spots will switch who they are given to with Test required.  Not that many kids were getting into Harvard with a 1300 and not succeeding (ie didn't belong).

55% of applicants submitted SAT, 28% submitted ACT (for 2022/23).  Lets assume a little overlap of say 5% (because most people pick their higher score and submit that, very few people take both that have a 35 or a 1580+ on one, if you score lower, you take both and submit the higher one).  So that means 78% of students submitted test scores (approximately) that enrolled at Harvard.

There were 1644 freshman.  So ~360 did not submit test scores.  61K students applied.  Avg SAT was 760 (verbal) and 790 Math (1550) and 35ACT.   25% was 1490 and 34.  So logically, most kids with a sub 1550 and Sub 35 are not going to submit when TO is a thing.  
No hard Data, but it's not hard to think that at least 75% of those 360 TO admits were1490+scores, possibly even more.  
The amount of kids getting into Harvard with sub 1490 scores is likely incredibly small. 
However the number turned away with 1490+ scores is huge, likely over 45K.  So your chances of rejection are still incredibly high.

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NP. I want my 5 minutes back reading up your post.[/quote]

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