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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is the new right wing talking point. I have family who tell me it's "dangerous" and "irresponsible" to send children (especially white males) to college. [/quote]

WRONG.

Wrong again, troll.

It is a left-wing talking point, if anything:   https://www.tearthepaperceiling.org/[/quote]

Take it from Pew. In 2019:

"The share of Americans saying colleges and universities have a negative effect has increased by 12 percentage points since 2012. [b]The increase in negative views has come almost entirely from Republicans and independents who lean Republican.[/b] From 2015 to 2019, the share saying colleges have a negative effect on the country went from 37% to 59% among this group. Over that same period, the views of Democrats and independents who lean Democratic have remained largely stable and overwhelmingly positive."

and...

"In late 2018, 84% of Democrats and independents who lean to the Democratic Party said they have a great deal or a fair amount of confidence in college and university professors to act in the best interests of the public. Only about half (48%) of Republicans and Republican leaners said the same. In fact, 19% of Republicans said they have no confidence at all in college professors to act in the public interest. And in early 2019, 87% of Democrats – but fewer than half (44%) of Republicans – said colleges and universities are open to a wide range of opinions and viewpoints."

[url]https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/08/19/the-growing-partisan-divide-in-views-of-higher-education-2/[/url]

Also, funny how none of Dem leaning family is concerned with me sending my kids to college. Just the Trump thumpers. [/quote]

You are still missing the point.

What your evidence argues is the imbalance of political thought among academics on campus in the US.

That fact is beyond dispute:  [b]college faculty overwhelmingly skews left, and you have to agree that’s a problem[/b]. Their concept is simple: “We advance the principles of open inquiry, viewpoint diversity, and constructive disagreement to improve higher education and academic research.”

It is a known, stubborn problem thr Heterodoxy Academy is trying to fight:

https://heterodoxacademy.org/

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DP.

The right is anti-science, anti-evidence, pro-hate, and fond of conspiracy theories.  The fact that college faculty reject the party of Chloroquine, calling LGBTQ people “groomers”, imaginary voter fraud, and “it snowed so global warming is a myth” is not a problem.  Reality has a well known liberal bias.  [/quote]

THIS^^^

College faculty are highly educated people.  They tend to believe facts, science, evidence, etc.  Which apparently makes you a "liberal" nowadays.  [/quote]
There are quite a number of college faculty who are so far-left that they don't believe in facts science, evidence, etc. [b]Dismiss that as a right-wing talking point all you want but it is a problem.[/b]

I absolutely see no other path for my daughters to take other than going to college. But I want them to attend a college where truth, open discussion and honesty exist. I don't want them to go to a place to be indoctrinated on either side.

On to my next point - I hate when people like Rowe say college is a waste of money and it's better to go to the trades like HVAC, plumbing, electrical. I do agree trades can be good BUT these comments are directed at boys.

How many girls do you know are going into trades? You don't people like Mike Rowe saying "go into trades or become a hair dresser/preschool teacher/standard women held jobs that don't require a college degree". Our boys will become less and less educated (seriously - look at what is currently happening on college campuses. The gender imbalance is only growing wider) and that is not a good thing for society in the long run.[/quote]

Your claim doesn’t match my anecdotal experience whatsoever (I work in STEM and I’m married to an academic who is very active the national level in promoting evidence-based policymaking).   10 years ago, evidence-based policy was a bi-partisan ideal (with both parties believing that rigorous evidence would show where their opponents were wrong).  Today it’s a different story.  The right today deals in Jewish space lasers, Italian ghosts stealing votes and other absolute nonsense like that.  It’s not even possible to have a conversation about policy because consensus reality is no longer the starting point.

There may be some hardcore leftist humanities academics who are out of touch.  Pretending that they are an important issue when one of our major political parties is actively, openly rejecting democracy is really rearranging the dust motes on the armchairs on the deck of the titanic.

Honestly, promoting the idea that left wing academics are an issue without actively acknowledging the looming catastrophe of GOP efforts at all levels to overturn democracy (e.g. in Georgia, NC, and Wisconsin) seems like a propaganda effort in support of those anti democracy efforts. [/quote]

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