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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There are many differences between Ethan Crumbley and Adam Lanza.

Adam Lanza was an adult whose had one estranged parent and one parent who was very aware of his mental health problems and tried to get him help.  But because he was a legal adult, she had no way to force him to accept help.  Adam Lanza's parents did not provide him with a gun, but he stole the gun from his mother.

Ethan Crumbley is a minor who had two parents who were present but ignored his issues.  He had mental health issues for years, tried to make his parents aware and they ignored his pleas for help.  They just called his hallucinations "joking" and  poo-pooed his requests for help.  They did not communicate with school about issues with him.  They knew that he was a solitary troubled kid whose only friend had moved away, their family pet died.  And rather than spend more time and attention on him to ensure that he was okay, the spent less time on him and more time on their own personal lives.  The mother spent more time on her swinging lifestyle and her horses than she spent on him.  These parents decided when he was in elementary school that they didn't need to parent or care for him and would leave him alone while they would go out drinking, leaving him for hours enough that a neighbor called CPS On them multiple times for child neglect.  And then they purchased this solitary, lonely, depressed child a gun and then failed to secure it.  One would think they would be more attentive under the circumstances, but they were less.

There is a huge difference in how Nancy Lanza parented and how Jennifer Crumbley parented.  Nancy Lanza's situation was tragic.  Jennifer Crumbley's situation was criminal.[/quote]

DP here.  Lanza's mom also downplayed and covered up for his behavior, making excuses instead of getting him committed.  When your kid (adult or not) refuses to come out of his room, puts garbage bags over the windows, and all the other stuff that Lanza was doing - you get them committed and you get a plan in place. How much denial before he goes and kills all those innocent babies?  My God.  I know kids like this (not in my family), and honestly, I wonder who is next. [/quote]

Let me assure you, as a former prosecutor who handled hundreds of involuntary commitments over the years of my career and studied the literature extensively, that Adam Lanza's behavior prior to the massacre at Sandy Hook would most likely [b]not[/b] have met the standard for involuntary commitment to a psychiatric facility. There is a very small possibility that a judge would have seen his anorexia as posing a danger to himself (not others) and signed a commitment order, but those orders expire very quickly and since anorexia is very treatment resistant (the highest mortality rate of any mental illness), he might have been forcibly medicated for a couple of weeks then sent home angrier than he was before.

You simply do not understand how profoundly broken our mental health system is.[/quote]

PP, TY for coming on here in your former professional capacity and discussing this situation. Too many posters here sadly do not grasp how profoundly broken our mental health system is and how strung out and burned out many parents and caregivers are in these circumstances. I don't think, however, that the Crumbleys fall in that category. They seem emotionally and mentally stunted and failed their son in so many ways.  [/quote]

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